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		<title>By: GodKillzYou</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2394</link>
		<dc:creator>GodKillzYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction...

&lt;blockquote&gt;IT would be the only means by which God would work...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As opposed to &quot;I would be...&quot;</description>
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<blockquote><p>IT would be the only means by which God would work&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>As opposed to &#8220;I would be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GodKillzYou</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2393</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if everything was the result of &quot;natural processes,&quot; then there really is no need for God. It&#039;s a natural process.

Occam&#039;s Razor eliminates the need for God.

It&#039;s the same as with Psalm 139. To describe something like pregnancy as &quot;God&#039;s work&quot; adds extraneous information to a proposition that works completely on its own, without God.

You could say the same thing about the C++ programming language. Is it &quot;God&#039;s work?&quot; All it needs is a compiler and God? Logically, the argument is no different.

All pregnancy needs is a man, woman and God?

When Laplace showed Napoleon his model of the solar system, and the Emperor asked where God was in his model, Laplace responded thus:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It works well enough without that hypothesis, Your Majesty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as what I mean by magic, I&#039;m implying &quot;supernatural powers.&quot; I would be the only means by which God would work. Otherwise, it&#039;s just normal, natural processes with no need of input from God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if everything was the result of &#8220;natural processes,&#8221; then there really is no need for God. It&#8217;s a natural process.</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s Razor eliminates the need for God.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same as with Psalm 139. To describe something like pregnancy as &#8220;God&#8217;s work&#8221; adds extraneous information to a proposition that works completely on its own, without God.</p>
<p>You could say the same thing about the C++ programming language. Is it &#8220;God&#8217;s work?&#8221; All it needs is a compiler and God? Logically, the argument is no different.</p>
<p>All pregnancy needs is a man, woman and God?</p>
<p>When Laplace showed Napoleon his model of the solar system, and the Emperor asked where God was in his model, Laplace responded thus:</p>
<blockquote><p>It works well enough without that hypothesis, Your Majesty.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as what I mean by magic, I&#8217;m implying &#8220;supernatural powers.&#8221; I would be the only means by which God would work. Otherwise, it&#8217;s just normal, natural processes with no need of input from God.</p>
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		<title>By: sergeyhudiev</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2392</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At the same time, it doesn’t prove there is a God.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes. Science can&#039;t prove or disprove God&#039;s existence.

&lt;i&gt;Meaning is, like beauty, a personal interpretation or opinion.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure. Using a previous example, I can &lt;b&gt;ask&lt;/b&gt; John where is he going. I can get information from him personally. It wound not be scientific knowledge – but still knowledge.

&lt;i&gt;You’d still have to make the leap that God is using magic. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you call “magic” here. I believe, that God is using natural processes; for example, In Psalm 139 natural process, pregnancy, described as God&#039;s work.

&lt;i&gt;I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you know that God used magic to create the Universe. &lt;/i&gt;

May be I don&#039;t understand, what you mean by “magic”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At the same time, it doesn’t prove there is a God.</i></p>
<p>Yes. Science can&#8217;t prove or disprove God&#8217;s existence.</p>
<p><i>Meaning is, like beauty, a personal interpretation or opinion.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure. Using a previous example, I can <b>ask</b> John where is he going. I can get information from him personally. It wound not be scientific knowledge – but still knowledge.</p>
<p><i>You’d still have to make the leap that God is using magic. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you call “magic” here. I believe, that God is using natural processes; for example, In Psalm 139 natural process, pregnancy, described as God&#8217;s work.</p>
<p><i>I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you know that God used magic to create the Universe. </i></p>
<p>May be I don&#8217;t understand, what you mean by “magic”</p>
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		<title>By: modestypress</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2391</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you know that God used magic to create the Universe.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s part of the reason I&#039;ve taken to calling myself a &quot;radical agnostic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you know that God used magic to create the Universe.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the reason I&#8217;ve taken to calling myself a &#8220;radical agnostic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GodKillzYou</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2389</link>
		<dc:creator>GodKillzYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the same time, it doesn&#039;t prove there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a God. It&#039;s a non sequitor.

Meaning is, like beauty, a personal interpretation or &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt;. It doesn&#039;t give a truth value. It&#039;s completely possible for one person to find &quot;beauty&quot; in one thing, while another person feels completely different about it.

You&#039;d still have to make the leap that God is using magic. In the naturalistic sense, I say that we don&#039;t understand yet.

I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that God used magic to create the Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the same time, it doesn&#8217;t prove there <i>is</i> a God. It&#8217;s a non sequitor.</p>
<p>Meaning is, like beauty, a personal interpretation or <i>opinion</i>. It doesn&#8217;t give a truth value. It&#8217;s completely possible for one person to find &#8220;beauty&#8221; in one thing, while another person feels completely different about it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d still have to make the leap that God is using magic. In the naturalistic sense, I say that we don&#8217;t understand yet.</p>
<p>I think it would be much more reasonable to admit lack of knowledge than to say that you <i>know</i> that God used magic to create the Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: sergeyhudiev</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2390</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**The only use for magic (God) is to try to explain away that which we don’t understand**

1.There is a difference between magic and God - magic is a sort of pseudo-technology, mag pretend to control some supernatural powers and use it for his own ends.
God - biblical God at least - is a Person, who nobody can control.

2.When we speaking about &quot;understanding&quot; we can speak about two different things, about answers for a two different questions - question about method and question about purpose.
For instance, we can give two answers for a question &quot;Why  car is moving?&quot;
We can say, a)car is moving because of some chemical reaction in it&#039;s engine. b)car is moving, because John decided to take his family to the seaside.

We don&#039;t need John to eхplain chemical process in the engine  - and we don&#039;t need God to explain  natural process in nature. Moreover, we don&#039;t need Bill Gates to explain processes in Windows:)
But it doesn&#039;t proof non-existence of John, or Bill Gates, or even God:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**The only use for magic (God) is to try to explain away that which we don’t understand**</p>
<p>1.There is a difference between magic and God &#8211; magic is a sort of pseudo-technology, mag pretend to control some supernatural powers and use it for his own ends.<br />
God &#8211; biblical God at least &#8211; is a Person, who nobody can control.</p>
<p>2.When we speaking about &#8220;understanding&#8221; we can speak about two different things, about answers for a two different questions &#8211; question about method and question about purpose.<br />
For instance, we can give two answers for a question &#8220;Why  car is moving?&#8221;<br />
We can say, a)car is moving because of some chemical reaction in it&#8217;s engine. b)car is moving, because John decided to take his family to the seaside.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need John to eхplain chemical process in the engine  &#8211; and we don&#8217;t need God to explain  natural process in nature. Moreover, we don&#8217;t need Bill Gates to explain processes in Windows:)<br />
But it doesn&#8217;t proof non-existence of John, or Bill Gates, or even God:)</p>
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		<title>By: GodKillzYou</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2388</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my most recent blog post (&lt;a href=&quot;http://godkillzyou.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/does-god-go-poop-an-analysis-of-infinite-regression/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Does God Go Poop&lt;/a&gt;?), I&#039;ve been engaged in a debate about something very similar to this... namely infinite regression.

I just don&#039;t understand how magical thinking can be anything more than an excuse. It seems to me that God is merely a placeholder for what we don&#039;t know yet.

The only use for magic (God) is to try to &lt;i&gt;explain away&lt;/i&gt; that which we don&#039;t understand - such as the origins of the Universe. It seems only logical because the magic (God) hypothesis doesn&#039;t explain anything that we &lt;i&gt;do understand&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my most recent blog post (<a href="http://godkillzyou.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/does-god-go-poop-an-analysis-of-infinite-regression/" rel="nofollow">Does God Go Poop</a>?), I&#8217;ve been engaged in a debate about something very similar to this&#8230; namely infinite regression.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand how magical thinking can be anything more than an excuse. It seems to me that God is merely a placeholder for what we don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
<p>The only use for magic (God) is to try to <i>explain away</i> that which we don&#8217;t understand &#8211; such as the origins of the Universe. It seems only logical because the magic (God) hypothesis doesn&#8217;t explain anything that we <i>do understand</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: civ4freak</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>civ4freak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my life in a nutshell.</description>
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		<title>By: SR</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/07/24/then-a-miracles-occurs/#comment-2386</link>
		<dc:creator>SR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was on the Chicago ARML T-shirt a while ago, and in many other places too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was on the Chicago ARML T-shirt a while ago, and in many other places too.</p>
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