Thank you, for spelling it out so clearly. The ridiculousness of it all is a bit overwhelming so I find it sad that so many families are living through the depression and sadness caused by these beliefs.

I’m responding to you because your comment got sent to my email.

First of all, I don’t want to deny the pain that women go through in childbirth. For this reason alone, I have deep respect for the entire female sex. Yes do not think that conservative Christians wish to let men get off scot free. Caring for a wife and child, supporting them and being a leader of the household is no easy task. My mother would likely say that my father has taken the hardest part of being a parent through the years.

Whereas you claim I am a man with “misogynist” attitudes, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think you have such evil intent in your support for abortion. I am against abortion because I have never seen a good argument for why the unborn is not a person. I doubt you are a Peter Singer, and I think if you really felt the unborn were human persons and ontologically identical to you, you would be against abortion as well. So you would have to say I am mistaken, not evil for trying to stand up against infanticide. I doubt you would be in favor of a mother killing a two month old because she didn’t want the emotional stress of raising the child.

You also said, “No ‘perfect, loving, and omniscent’ “god” would tell half of his creation (women) that our bodies were something to be ashamed of and that having sex for natural human pleasure — not just procreation — was ’sinful’.”

First of all, spell-check is your friend when spelling omniscient. Second, God never told women that their bodies were something to be ashamed of. I firmly believe that when the Psalmist said “I am fearfully and wonderfully made” it applied to women as well. Also, God called his creation very good after he had made woman. Second, you seem to imply that God tells only women that sex for natural human pleasure is sinful. Allow me to clear it up for you. God forbids any sexual relationship for man or woman outside of marriage. I encourage you to live in a culture more progressed than ours in the paths of our sexual liberation. Try Russia where live abortions have outnumbered live births for a decade now because of that attitude that sex is neither about marriage nor about family. Goodness. Try England! You’d love it there. Already I can see the effects that this ideology has had on this beautiful country, and the consequences may be soon upon us.

But Christians and social conservatives whose votes reflect their misogynist attitudes towards women, especially with their preoccupation for wanting to punish women for having sex and for fighting for our rights as citizens (the women’s liberation movement). Of course, the theologically justified human rights violation of forced pregnancy/forced birth in recent attempts to take away women’s right to determine when or if she will carry a pregnancy to term.

The real motive of the “pro-life” movement and the true face of Christianity is explained here:

http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/the-true-face-of-the-prolife

Sorry, but to all the Christians who posted here, if you and your imaginary friend and the lying plagiarist MEN who wrote “god’s word” feel that women need extra punishment and suffering just for being women, then you and your god need an attitude adjustment.

I claim moral superiority to your god, which has the manners of a spoiled child, the temper of a petulent tyrant, imbued with a sense of entitlement and the psychological profile of a sociopathic narcissist with the “angry white male syndrome.”

No ‘perfect, loving, and omniscent’ “god” would tell half of his creation (women) that our bodies were something to be ashamed of and that having sex for natural human pleasure — not just procreation — was “sinful.” And no moral person would presume that they had the right to subordinate the rights of already-living women to that of a POTENTIAL human life which is a contingent life form and parasitic against the woman’s will.

No man would tolerate it if politicians and judges tried to force him to have his body permanently changed and encumbered so that his organs can be used as a life support system against his will. But Christians want to force ALL women into this fertility servitude in the US, whether we’re Christians or not. Talk about forcing religious doctrine on someone…

Christianity = forced childbirth = oppression and enslavement of women

I refuse to feel ashamed of my body. I refuse to apologize for embracing my sexuality. And I refuse to repent just for being a woman.

In my own, my husband decided taking Oxycontin and drinking beer were more important than our marriage. After I had the Christian church involved, and he still didn’t seem to care anymore, I left. This was after years of being subserviant to him, cooking, cleaning, doing EVERYTHING for the kids, and bowing down to his horrible money management skills. I should have known better.

Anyways, after I left he told me that “You can never marry again! It says so in the bible!” I answered back to him that if “God forgave HIM for all he put me thru in our marriage, God would forgive ME for divorcing him.”

It’s funny now because he’s met some woman on a “Christian Dating Website” and is hoping to get married. I emailed him recently and said that “I’m very glad the bible has changed, and you can get remarried! That is so cool!”

I’m a very smart woman, but gave in to the teachings I should listen and follow my husband for way too long, and let him make me feel guilty about leaving. I think my Jehovah Witness upbringing has a lot to do with it (but that is a huge, whole ‘nother story).

After being raised to never question what I was taught, I now question EVERYTHING. I won’t say I don’t believe in God anymore… I say I have that tiny mustard seed of faith. But I ask daily to God, if he’s here to please show me something other than a bible written by men and translated over the years as proof.

Anyways, just thought I’d share. I’m so very sick of the hypocracy of most “Christians” I know, especially when it comes to marriage and women and morals. Really, it’s sickening.

You seem determined to believe many of these things, and so it would be pointless to try and change your mind. Yet your last paragraph shows a lack of insight into history and Western culture. Perhaps this is not your forte; doubtless you have your areas of expertise. Yet, I suggest you do some more research here into the progression of womens’ rights (especially within context of the Roman empire). I suggest Rodney Stark (not a Christian author, in case you’re wondering). He has some excellent research into these types of things.

…the foundation….

I think you’re just a pissed off little atheist who has a grind to pick with theists. What’s the matter? Did mommy and daddy not give you enough attention as a child?