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		<title>By: Shawn Abbott</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71453</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already gave several examples of why Christianity is different you just dont seem to be listening or accepting them.  Sorry I dont have the study info for the chimp DNA thing I read it 3 years ago and dont have a copy just disregard it.  We could go around for years like this, and not get anywere.  Just some questions for you since you seem not to like to answer my questions to you.  How did evolution start? How does the giraffe evolve? did you look up Tyre yet? benificial mutations? order from disorder?

If you point out glaring errors I will not use them anymore.
good point with the grass blade I have never seen anybody make a blade of grass.  Have you seen anybody make one species into another?

Sorry I never qualified my statements on evolution.  I am not disputing microevolution, only macro.  Micro can and is observed no argument here.  Macro is where my problem is.

thanks in advance for answering the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already gave several examples of why Christianity is different you just dont seem to be listening or accepting them.  Sorry I dont have the study info for the chimp DNA thing I read it 3 years ago and dont have a copy just disregard it.  We could go around for years like this, and not get anywere.  Just some questions for you since you seem not to like to answer my questions to you.  How did evolution start? How does the giraffe evolve? did you look up Tyre yet? benificial mutations? order from disorder?</p>
<p>If you point out glaring errors I will not use them anymore.<br />
good point with the grass blade I have never seen anybody make a blade of grass.  Have you seen anybody make one species into another?</p>
<p>Sorry I never qualified my statements on evolution.  I am not disputing microevolution, only macro.  Micro can and is observed no argument here.  Macro is where my problem is.</p>
<p>thanks in advance for answering the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71376</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you are sure that evolution is wrong (although why you think that means your version of mumbo-jumbo is the truth we can leave to another day) it&#039;s seems somewhat strange that you don&#039;t have at least some references to hand. Some of figures you gave where specific so you must remember where they came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you are sure that evolution is wrong (although why you think that means your version of mumbo-jumbo is the truth we can leave to another day) it&#8217;s seems somewhat strange that you don&#8217;t have at least some references to hand. Some of figures you gave where specific so you must remember where they came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Abbott</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71372</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havent gone away to check proofs, just havent had time to post.  I will be back tommorow.  Have a good day.</description>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71267</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume by Shawn&#039;s lack of posts he&#039;s gone away to check his &quot;evidence&quot; and &quot;proofs&quot;. I always wonder how someone can get into a situation where he obviously believes anything that supports his own view and will not question it.

Does it really make any difference to him when the glaring errors in his knowledge are pointed out ... probably not but you can hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume by Shawn&#8217;s lack of posts he&#8217;s gone away to check his &#8220;evidence&#8221; and &#8220;proofs&#8221;. I always wonder how someone can get into a situation where he obviously believes anything that supports his own view and will not question it.</p>
<p>Does it really make any difference to him when the glaring errors in his knowledge are pointed out &#8230; probably not but you can hope.</p>
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		<title>By: rodneyAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71257</link>
		<dc:creator>rodneyAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality has a liberal bias.</description>
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		<title>By: Francesc</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71178</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not. Facts and reality are persecuting him. They are so atheistic-biased...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not. Facts and reality are persecuting him. They are so atheistic-biased&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rA

This is where I find the arrogance rears its head. Not only is there no proof for a creator type god, the poster has a complete inability to believe that anyone could think that the only creator type god is his version of god.

@Francesc

“1 per 1000 is an incredible high rate for an impossible thing, isn’t it?”

That must mean you’re interpreting the evidence incorrectly. The poster just has a different worldview from yours and you’re persecuting him if you don’t agree that his version of mumbo-jumbo is incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rA</p>
<p>This is where I find the arrogance rears its head. Not only is there no proof for a creator type god, the poster has a complete inability to believe that anyone could think that the only creator type god is his version of god.</p>
<p>@Francesc</p>
<p>“1 per 1000 is an incredible high rate for an impossible thing, isn’t it?”</p>
<p>That must mean you’re interpreting the evidence incorrectly. The poster just has a different worldview from yours and you’re persecuting him if you don’t agree that his version of mumbo-jumbo is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesc</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71175</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It doesnt matter that DNA profreads itself guarding against mutation &quot;

From wikipedia: &quot;The incidence of Down syndrome is estimated at one per 800 to one per 1000 births.[52] In 2006, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated the rate as one per 733 live births in the United States (5429 new cases per year).[53] Approximately 95% of these are trisomy 21. Down syndrome occurs in all ethnic groups and among all economic classes&quot;

1 per 1000 is an incredible high rate for an impossible thing, isn&#039;t it? Down&#039;s syndrome is only one particular change in our DNA (&quot;is a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It doesnt matter that DNA profreads itself guarding against mutation &#8221;</p>
<p>From wikipedia: &#8220;The incidence of Down syndrome is estimated at one per 800 to one per 1000 births.[52] In 2006, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated the rate as one per 733 live births in the United States (5429 new cases per year).[53] Approximately 95% of these are trisomy 21. Down syndrome occurs in all ethnic groups and among all economic classes&#8221;</p>
<p>1 per 1000 is an incredible high rate for an impossible thing, isn&#8217;t it? Down&#8217;s syndrome is only one particular change in our DNA (&#8221;is a chromosomal disorder caused by the presence of all or part of an extra 21st chromosome&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: rA</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71174</link>
		<dc:creator>rA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, good point: even if a blade of grass &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; evidence of a designer (it&#039;s not, but even if it were), nothing about that suggests the designer is the one described in the Bible, who has a lot of specific attributes (including caring about humanity) upon which the grass blade has no comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, good point: even if a blade of grass <i>were</i> evidence of a designer (it&#8217;s not, but even if it were), nothing about that suggests the designer is the one described in the Bible, who has a lot of specific attributes (including caring about humanity) upon which the grass blade has no comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are suggesting that the Universe must have a designer, ...&quot;

Not just any old designer but his version of a designer, although he seems totally incapable of explaining why any of this is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are suggesting that the Universe must have a designer, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not just any old designer but his version of a designer, although he seems totally incapable of explaining why any of this is true.</p>
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		<title>By: rA</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71169</link>
		<dc:creator>rA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with analogies to paintings or buildings or whatever is that we &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; where paintings and buildings come from.  You are suggesting that the Universe must have a designer, that it must have been intentionally created, there is no other possibility.

Unfortunately, this is not only an argument from ignorance / argument from lack of imagination, there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; another explanation of how you might get complexity from simplicity without design.   It&#039;s called &quot;evolution by natural selection&quot;.  Modern evolutionary synthesis is fantastically detailed.  There are no competing theories.  Evolution definitely happened.  Creation definitely did not.  This is confirmed by evidence to a similar degree that &quot;the Sun is bigger than the Earth&quot; is confirmed.  It&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with analogies to paintings or buildings or whatever is that we <i>know</i> where paintings and buildings come from.  You are suggesting that the Universe must have a designer, that it must have been intentionally created, there is no other possibility.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is not only an argument from ignorance / argument from lack of imagination, there <i>is</i> another explanation of how you might get complexity from simplicity without design.   It&#8217;s called &#8220;evolution by natural selection&#8221;.  Modern evolutionary synthesis is fantastically detailed.  There are no competing theories.  Evolution definitely happened.  Creation definitely did not.  This is confirmed by evidence to a similar degree that &#8220;the Sun is bigger than the Earth&#8221; is confirmed.  It&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I showed you a painting, would you say there is no painter? There is enough proof in one blade of grass to prove a creator.&quot;

Have you ever met a painter, have you ever seen a painter? Have you ever seen someone who makes grass? So your proof is nothing of the sort. Hint: proof is not claiming godditit because you don&#039;t understand something.

&quot;it doesnt matter that that 3 % contains such a massive amout of information that even if you had 1 mutation per generation it would take to long for it to work with how old they say the earth is,&quot;

Please provide evidence that this is true.

&quot;I tell you about my savior and you say “all Gods are the same” ...&quot;

No I asked why you version of mumbo-jumbo is correct and other versions of mumbo-jumbo are incorrect and you answer (if you can call it that) was because your religion has a saviour. Please explain why you think this answers the question.

&quot;Yet I’m still hear happy in my God given bliss that I dont have to blindly stumble through life hoping I dont fall at the feet of a living God when I die.&quot;

Wishful thinking doesn&#039;t make something true.

&quot;still I hear “there is no God”&quot;

Well provide some evidence for you god&#039;s existence then ... you&#039;ve claimed more than once that you have evidence but have posted nothing of the sort. Someone could use much the same &quot;proofs&quot; as you have to prove that [insert name of god here] exists but you don&#039;t believe in other gods do you, so why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I showed you a painting, would you say there is no painter? There is enough proof in one blade of grass to prove a creator.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you ever met a painter, have you ever seen a painter? Have you ever seen someone who makes grass? So your proof is nothing of the sort. Hint: proof is not claiming godditit because you don&#8217;t understand something.</p>
<p>&#8220;it doesnt matter that that 3 % contains such a massive amout of information that even if you had 1 mutation per generation it would take to long for it to work with how old they say the earth is,&#8221;</p>
<p>Please provide evidence that this is true.</p>
<p>&#8220;I tell you about my savior and you say “all Gods are the same” &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No I asked why you version of mumbo-jumbo is correct and other versions of mumbo-jumbo are incorrect and you answer (if you can call it that) was because your religion has a saviour. Please explain why you think this answers the question.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yet I’m still hear happy in my God given bliss that I dont have to blindly stumble through life hoping I dont fall at the feet of a living God when I die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wishful thinking doesn&#8217;t make something true.</p>
<p>&#8220;still I hear “there is no God”&#8221;</p>
<p>Well provide some evidence for you god&#8217;s existence then &#8230; you&#8217;ve claimed more than once that you have evidence but have posted nothing of the sort. Someone could use much the same &#8220;proofs&#8221; as you have to prove that [insert name of god here] exists but you don&#8217;t believe in other gods do you, so why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Abbott</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71167</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof:  evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

It makes me so happy that I can cause you to laugh so much.

Dont get me wrong I love to answer your questions, but do you think you could at least answer one yourself.

It is amazing how proof shown is proof denied.  If I showed you a painting, would you say there is no painter?  There is enough proof in one blade of grass to prove a creator.  You look at it and state &quot;there is no God&quot;  Somebody tells you that life comes from nothing and blindly you say &quot;there is no God&quot;  It makes no difference that when the theory was written a cell was thought to be not much more that goo &quot;there is no God&quot;   Now we can see inside and realize how complex it really is &quot;there is no God&quot;  We see men so desperate to make it work that they fake ape men from teeth and single bones, just making up dates to fit there needs &quot;there is no God&quot;  It doesnt matter that DNA profreads itself guarding against mutation &quot;there is no God&quot;  the chimp is only 3 % away from us they say, it doesnt matter that that 3 % contains such a massive amout of information that even if you had 1 mutation per generation it would take to long for it to work with how old they say the earth is, still &quot;there is no God&quot; 

I tell you about my savior and you say &quot;all Gods are the same&quot; Look up Tyre,  It wont matter that it was fortold 200 years before it happend,  where? The Bible &quot;all Gods are the same&quot;  God tells the truth, not men living on the moon dressing like quakers (brigham young prophacy from morman non god) &quot;all Gods are the same&quot; The bible is writen by many people over the span of many year from many countries all speaking of the same God, not a single person easily deceaved &quot;all Gods are the same&quot;

Yet I&#039;m still hear happy in my God given bliss that I dont have to blindly stumble through life hoping I dont fall at the feet of a living God when I die.  still I hear &quot;there is no God&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof:  evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.</p>
<p>It makes me so happy that I can cause you to laugh so much.</p>
<p>Dont get me wrong I love to answer your questions, but do you think you could at least answer one yourself.</p>
<p>It is amazing how proof shown is proof denied.  If I showed you a painting, would you say there is no painter?  There is enough proof in one blade of grass to prove a creator.  You look at it and state &#8220;there is no God&#8221;  Somebody tells you that life comes from nothing and blindly you say &#8220;there is no God&#8221;  It makes no difference that when the theory was written a cell was thought to be not much more that goo &#8220;there is no God&#8221;   Now we can see inside and realize how complex it really is &#8220;there is no God&#8221;  We see men so desperate to make it work that they fake ape men from teeth and single bones, just making up dates to fit there needs &#8220;there is no God&#8221;  It doesnt matter that DNA profreads itself guarding against mutation &#8220;there is no God&#8221;  the chimp is only 3 % away from us they say, it doesnt matter that that 3 % contains such a massive amout of information that even if you had 1 mutation per generation it would take to long for it to work with how old they say the earth is, still &#8220;there is no God&#8221; </p>
<p>I tell you about my savior and you say &#8220;all Gods are the same&#8221; Look up Tyre,  It wont matter that it was fortold 200 years before it happend,  where? The Bible &#8220;all Gods are the same&#8221;  God tells the truth, not men living on the moon dressing like quakers (brigham young prophacy from morman non god) &#8220;all Gods are the same&#8221; The bible is writen by many people over the span of many year from many countries all speaking of the same God, not a single person easily deceaved &#8220;all Gods are the same&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet I&#8217;m still hear happy in my God given bliss that I dont have to blindly stumble through life hoping I dont fall at the feet of a living God when I die.  still I hear &#8220;there is no God&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Francesc</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71078</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God himself coming down and showing you how real he is&quot;
That would be a good way, yes. According to the bible he did that before. Are we speaking about your God or someone else&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God himself coming down and showing you how real he is&#8221;<br />
That would be a good way, yes. According to the bible he did that before. Are we speaking about your God or someone else&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/02/05/the-top-30-atheistagnostic-blogs/#comment-71077</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“so I tell you my proof and you say thats not proof. wow are you blind to whats around you. You still havent told me how you can see whats around you and not think there is a God. I would like to know what you believe.”

*laughter* … do you actually know what the word proof means; really get a dictionary and look up the meaning as it’s certainly not what you think it is. You claimed that the signature of god (or some such mumbo-jumbo) was all around us. Please supply evidence that this is true and also how this leads to your version of god being correct and the many thousands of other gods being incorrect. 

“what religion would you like me to make a case against since you dont accept that mine has a savior.”

*more laughter* … the question is why do you dismiss other mumbo-jumbo religions yet accept yours as the “truth”. Why is your version of the “truth” any different for other religions version of the “truth”. You really have no answer to this do you?

“I really would like to convince you but I dont think you would accept anything short of God himself coming down and showing you how real he is.”

Nope, just even a scrap of evidence for your god and it’s your version of god we are talking about here isn’t it not just any old god. Of course if you just wish to admit that your whole basis for belief is based in blind faith, which it obviously is, then just come out and say it and stop the rather pathetic and arrogant hand waving that you have so far demonstrated. If you had evidence for you god you would have posted it. That fact that you haven’t tells me all I need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“so I tell you my proof and you say thats not proof. wow are you blind to whats around you. You still havent told me how you can see whats around you and not think there is a God. I would like to know what you believe.”</p>
<p>*laughter* … do you actually know what the word proof means; really get a dictionary and look up the meaning as it’s certainly not what you think it is. You claimed that the signature of god (or some such mumbo-jumbo) was all around us. Please supply evidence that this is true and also how this leads to your version of god being correct and the many thousands of other gods being incorrect. </p>
<p>“what religion would you like me to make a case against since you dont accept that mine has a savior.”</p>
<p>*more laughter* … the question is why do you dismiss other mumbo-jumbo religions yet accept yours as the “truth”. Why is your version of the “truth” any different for other religions version of the “truth”. You really have no answer to this do you?</p>
<p>“I really would like to convince you but I dont think you would accept anything short of God himself coming down and showing you how real he is.”</p>
<p>Nope, just even a scrap of evidence for your god and it’s your version of god we are talking about here isn’t it not just any old god. Of course if you just wish to admit that your whole basis for belief is based in blind faith, which it obviously is, then just come out and say it and stop the rather pathetic and arrogant hand waving that you have so far demonstrated. If you had evidence for you god you would have posted it. That fact that you haven’t tells me all I need to know.</p>
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