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		<title>By: Prayson</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-41172</link>
		<dc:creator>Prayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 08:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sad to say this, but my argument on April 5th and 6th are all deleted?
       
If what you write was right, then your argument falls! 

    Since you deleted it, It leave me with no option than to imagine that, this blog is truly Unreasonable faith, for Unreasonable mind?

    Do not create truth, Find truth. And let other find it for themselves too!

Be honest, don&#039;t delete comment against what you wrote! It is simply Unreasonable Decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sad to say this, but my argument on April 5th and 6th are all deleted?</p>
<p>If what you write was right, then your argument falls! </p>
<p>    Since you deleted it, It leave me with no option than to imagine that, this blog is truly Unreasonable faith, for Unreasonable mind?</p>
<p>    Do not create truth, Find truth. And let other find it for themselves too!</p>
<p>Be honest, don&#8217;t delete comment against what you wrote! It is simply Unreasonable Decision.</p>
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		<title>By: ProteusiQ</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23028</link>
		<dc:creator>ProteusiQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am talking IF and only IF there is God Roger :D</description>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23027</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...what the hell are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;what the hell are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: ProteusiQ</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23026</link>
		<dc:creator>ProteusiQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right saying &quot;I feel like I&#039;ve done he best ... and that is all that matters to me&quot;  yet it is so wrong I am afraid.
      &quot;We do not create truth, we find truth&quot;. These are words which disturbed  me when I was on the road to Atheism and lead me in another direction(Giving all to Christ).

     What-God-will-Do-this-or-that (Horrible things)..? Was my hiding zone! By thinking of &quot;sick and twisted entity, an abomination&quot; God I felt comfortable living my life without God.

      And I had the same attitude &quot; I have done the best I could&quot; If there is God! No! We can not and will not be able to please Him, We Lie,We will Lie, We go against our conscience, and trust me we will still do that?

     How many lie do you have to tell to be a lier? How many people you have to kill to be a killer?

        Oh, I do more good than bad! Is that it!? Adolf Hilter could and possibly did that to Germany! If A Hilter did more good would that eliminate him as a Horrible being?

     We are not condemned for what we did right? but what we did wrong. If that is so, Where will you stand?

      The world had a begining,therefore has the end. Is that it? I am randomly here with no purpose, evolved to eat,grow, fight and multiply to survive... Game over? No, no matter how hard I tried to think that was so, I know we are here for a higher reason( That is why we love DRAMA :D(Fights,Football,Movies,Fun)  ) Something more, something bigger...

       If there is God, We will face Him! No matter how we think of Him. I am a horrible person! Not a religious type for they are worst! I am simply a person who accepts Jesus Christ, For He promised, In him alone I can face God without condemnation!

       In addition, Weigh both side of anything you learn or find! For and Against. Conclude for yourself. I chose Jesus Christ, You do not have to do the same as you when a Kid dragged around(in Church) I hated that too :D

        Yet do not let hate(or other feelings) guard you. Don&#039;t create Truth, Find Truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right saying &#8220;I feel like I&#8217;ve done he best &#8230; and that is all that matters to me&#8221;  yet it is so wrong I am afraid.<br />
      &#8220;We do not create truth, we find truth&#8221;. These are words which disturbed  me when I was on the road to Atheism and lead me in another direction(Giving all to Christ).</p>
<p>     What-God-will-Do-this-or-that (Horrible things)..? Was my hiding zone! By thinking of &#8220;sick and twisted entity, an abomination&#8221; God I felt comfortable living my life without God.</p>
<p>      And I had the same attitude &#8221; I have done the best I could&#8221; If there is God! No! We can not and will not be able to please Him, We Lie,We will Lie, We go against our conscience, and trust me we will still do that?</p>
<p>     How many lie do you have to tell to be a lier? How many people you have to kill to be a killer?</p>
<p>        Oh, I do more good than bad! Is that it!? Adolf Hilter could and possibly did that to Germany! If A Hilter did more good would that eliminate him as a Horrible being?</p>
<p>     We are not condemned for what we did right? but what we did wrong. If that is so, Where will you stand?</p>
<p>      The world had a begining,therefore has the end. Is that it? I am randomly here with no purpose, evolved to eat,grow, fight and multiply to survive&#8230; Game over? No, no matter how hard I tried to think that was so, I know we are here for a higher reason( That is why we love DRAMA :D(Fights,Football,Movies,Fun)  ) Something more, something bigger&#8230;</p>
<p>       If there is God, We will face Him! No matter how we think of Him. I am a horrible person! Not a religious type for they are worst! I am simply a person who accepts Jesus Christ, For He promised, In him alone I can face God without condemnation!</p>
<p>       In addition, Weigh both side of anything you learn or find! For and Against. Conclude for yourself. I chose Jesus Christ, You do not have to do the same as you when a Kid dragged around(in Church) I hated that too :D</p>
<p>        Yet do not let hate(or other feelings) guard you. Don&#8217;t create Truth, Find Truth!</p>
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		<title>By: rick t</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23025</link>
		<dc:creator>rick t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.. on the story of Abraham, I realize the following,
Many christian have different interpretations, but what is striking is that there are no witnesses to the story, Who was even with Abraham and Issac when this happened. So we don&#039;t even have an independent witness, in the story to confirm what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.. on the story of Abraham, I realize the following,<br />
Many christian have different interpretations, but what is striking is that there are no witnesses to the story, Who was even with Abraham and Issac when this happened. So we don&#8217;t even have an independent witness, in the story to confirm what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Marley</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23024</link>
		<dc:creator>Marley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, lets say, against all odds, everything you&#039;ve said is true. I would have no regrets standing before god and answering for everything I&#039;ve done in my life. I feel like I&#039;ve done the best I can with everything I have, and that&#039;s all that matters to me. I was made to go to church as a kid, made to pray at meals, and made to give money to the church. Nothing I ever did when I was a kid in a christian home ever made any sense to me, and your arguments about the parallels between jesus and isaac have the same effect.

I disagree with your contention that all morality comes from your god, because we see that even societies which developed without christian influence have the same concepts of morality as christian societies. At times, non-christian societies are morally superior. Where are the Buddhist Crusades?

I would argue, just like so many of the atheist posters on this blog before me, that any god who would order his follower to slay his son as a test of devotion is a sick and twisted entity, an abomination, to use a word from the old testament vocabulary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, lets say, against all odds, everything you&#8217;ve said is true. I would have no regrets standing before god and answering for everything I&#8217;ve done in my life. I feel like I&#8217;ve done the best I can with everything I have, and that&#8217;s all that matters to me. I was made to go to church as a kid, made to pray at meals, and made to give money to the church. Nothing I ever did when I was a kid in a christian home ever made any sense to me, and your arguments about the parallels between jesus and isaac have the same effect.</p>
<p>I disagree with your contention that all morality comes from your god, because we see that even societies which developed without christian influence have the same concepts of morality as christian societies. At times, non-christian societies are morally superior. Where are the Buddhist Crusades?</p>
<p>I would argue, just like so many of the atheist posters on this blog before me, that any god who would order his follower to slay his son as a test of devotion is a sick and twisted entity, an abomination, to use a word from the old testament vocabulary.</p>
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		<title>By: ProteusiQ</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23023</link>
		<dc:creator>ProteusiQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look it This way, If Abraham was Willing to give His only beloved son Isaac, as an obedience to God, God gave his only Son Jesus. John 3:16

Isaac, replaced by the Lamb, Jesus the Lamb of God

Same Mountain rage where Abraham was suppose to give Isaac are geographical same with were Jesus was Crusified

Is this Coincidence?

We tend to remove God from His place, because we just can not please Him? We create all possible argument to deny Him? We even learn how to leave a Godless life! We would rather go to Hell than Worship God!

Why? We can not please God! and We know it! Though we try to leave a Godless life, we still have Moral in us, Conscience telling us what is write and wrong!

If the our conscience is right, If God is there... where would you stand once you face Him?

I have Chosen Jesus, for when I face God, I am us guilty as pinocchio :D But Jesus promised through Him alone I will be guiltless

Werther you believe God or Not? Ask yourself IF and only IF, God is there, were is your destination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look it This way, If Abraham was Willing to give His only beloved son Isaac, as an obedience to God, God gave his only Son Jesus. John 3:16</p>
<p>Isaac, replaced by the Lamb, Jesus the Lamb of God</p>
<p>Same Mountain rage where Abraham was suppose to give Isaac are geographical same with were Jesus was Crusified</p>
<p>Is this Coincidence?</p>
<p>We tend to remove God from His place, because we just can not please Him? We create all possible argument to deny Him? We even learn how to leave a Godless life! We would rather go to Hell than Worship God!</p>
<p>Why? We can not please God! and We know it! Though we try to leave a Godless life, we still have Moral in us, Conscience telling us what is write and wrong!</p>
<p>If the our conscience is right, If God is there&#8230; where would you stand once you face Him?</p>
<p>I have Chosen Jesus, for when I face God, I am us guilty as pinocchio :D But Jesus promised through Him alone I will be guiltless</p>
<p>Werther you believe God or Not? Ask yourself IF and only IF, God is there, were is your destination?</p>
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		<title>By: hellaD</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23022</link>
		<dc:creator>hellaD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a child growing up in a Christian (or Muslim/Jewish for that matter) household who has listened to this story as one of the first stories that child has heard, in fact the child has learned to speak by listening to these stories.

The kid knows that their parents will do anything that God calls them to do.  This story immediately destroys the relationship between child and parent.  The child is taught to believe that his/her parents are such very, very good people in their dedication to God.

They also know that their parent will always ultimately put God and His &quot;Will&quot; above the child.  In a sense the child can then never fully trust his/her own parents.  A sad state of affairs and indeed an evil God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a child growing up in a Christian (or Muslim/Jewish for that matter) household who has listened to this story as one of the first stories that child has heard, in fact the child has learned to speak by listening to these stories.</p>
<p>The kid knows that their parents will do anything that God calls them to do.  This story immediately destroys the relationship between child and parent.  The child is taught to believe that his/her parents are such very, very good people in their dedication to God.</p>
<p>They also know that their parent will always ultimately put God and His &#8220;Will&#8221; above the child.  In a sense the child can then never fully trust his/her own parents.  A sad state of affairs and indeed an evil God.</p>
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		<title>By: Mother Starves Son for Resurrection Experiment &#171; Unreasonable Faith</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23021</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother Starves Son for Resurrection Experiment &#171; Unreasonable Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2, 2009 by Daniel Florien    We&#8217;ve discussed what we would do if a god appeared and asked us to kill one of our children. We&#8217;d tell him to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Confucius</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23020</link>
		<dc:creator>Confucius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John
Question....what is god? Where has your journey led you?</description>
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Question&#8230;.what is god? Where has your journey led you?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Through much of human history, organized religion has been used to coerce, intimidate, and otherwise control people--the ultimate political power structure.  It truly has a hideous track record.

Not being an expert on that sort of thing, I want to stop short of saying that it was portrayed a certain way then, but I personally feel pretty certain both stories (particularly Abram&#039;s) have been used to those ends.  In fact, the church I attended when I first believed must have delivered 2 or 3 sermons on Abraham&#039;s faith in a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Through much of human history, organized religion has been used to coerce, intimidate, and otherwise control people&#8211;the ultimate political power structure.  It truly has a hideous track record.</p>
<p>Not being an expert on that sort of thing, I want to stop short of saying that it was portrayed a certain way then, but I personally feel pretty certain both stories (particularly Abram&#8217;s) have been used to those ends.  In fact, the church I attended when I first believed must have delivered 2 or 3 sermons on Abraham&#8217;s faith in a year.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23018</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, DarkMatter, I won&#039;t ignore that there&#039;s an element of fear involved in each.  The proper response to anyone who could create this universe is both fear and wonder.

Also, I think keeping vows to that same being seems like a good idea.  It seems that, however ignoble the vow itself, Jephthah agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, DarkMatter, I won&#8217;t ignore that there&#8217;s an element of fear involved in each.  The proper response to anyone who could create this universe is both fear and wonder.</p>
<p>Also, I think keeping vows to that same being seems like a good idea.  It seems that, however ignoble the vow itself, Jephthah agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[nullifidian said:] 3) I think that’s the lamest apologetic I’ve ever heard. [/nullifidian]

Ha.  Fair enough.  Was trying to go a different route than what had already been posted.  Sometimes, that leads to an explanation that flat out sucks.

I&#039;ll try not to do that next time... I certainly don&#039;t want to waste anyone&#039;s time.  Apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[nullifidian said:] 3) I think that’s the lamest apologetic I’ve ever heard. [/nullifidian]</p>
<p>Ha.  Fair enough.  Was trying to go a different route than what had already been posted.  Sometimes, that leads to an explanation that flat out sucks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try not to do that next time&#8230; I certainly don&#8217;t want to waste anyone&#8217;s time.  Apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/03/14/would-you-slay-your-son-for-god/#comment-23016</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[nullifidian wrote:]Thanks for that! Very helpful.

However, it does lead me to ask as to how you “know” Proverbs/Ecclesiastes/Job is supposed to be interpreted as “wisdom” and Joshua, 1&amp;2 Kings, 1&amp;2 Judges, 1&amp;2 Samuel as “history”.

I’m guessing that you have Super-Special Cliff’s Notes that are somehow unavailable to the rest of us. [/nullifidian]

Ha, sure thing.  I suppose I know it the same way any of us knows anything that isn&#039;t innate: I read books on theology, checked websites (American Bible Society, for one), that sort of thing.

Again, you can tell from the tone/content of those books, to a certain degree.  The wisdom books, particularly Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, don&#039;t make any historical claims, and are predominantly focused on a life well-lived.  Meanwhile, Psalms and Song of Solomon/Songs have a pretty distinct poetic tone to them... I&#039;m not making this up--you can see for yourself if you like.  You can tell in the same way you can tell that Robert Frost isn&#039;t laying out an historical or some doctrinal prose.

Super Secret Cliff&#039;s Notes would be helpful, of course, but I have access to the same information you do.  There&#039;s no secret society that passes these sorts of things around.

As I said, the categorization of the books of the Bible is a pretty well-known thing, at least to those who give more than 12 seconds&#039; attention to anything past the sermon they hear on Sunday (a tragically small number, methinks).  Kids are taught in Sunday school and everything... I think they have songs that help them remember.  I wouldn&#039;t know, I was never in Sunday school. (and when I hear some of the songs, I&#039;m glad)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[nullifidian wrote:]Thanks for that! Very helpful.</p>
<p>However, it does lead me to ask as to how you “know” Proverbs/Ecclesiastes/Job is supposed to be interpreted as “wisdom” and Joshua, 1&amp;2 Kings, 1&amp;2 Judges, 1&amp;2 Samuel as “history”.</p>
<p>I’m guessing that you have Super-Special Cliff’s Notes that are somehow unavailable to the rest of us. [/nullifidian]</p>
<p>Ha, sure thing.  I suppose I know it the same way any of us knows anything that isn&#8217;t innate: I read books on theology, checked websites (American Bible Society, for one), that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Again, you can tell from the tone/content of those books, to a certain degree.  The wisdom books, particularly Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, don&#8217;t make any historical claims, and are predominantly focused on a life well-lived.  Meanwhile, Psalms and Song of Solomon/Songs have a pretty distinct poetic tone to them&#8230; I&#8217;m not making this up&#8211;you can see for yourself if you like.  You can tell in the same way you can tell that Robert Frost isn&#8217;t laying out an historical or some doctrinal prose.</p>
<p>Super Secret Cliff&#8217;s Notes would be helpful, of course, but I have access to the same information you do.  There&#8217;s no secret society that passes these sorts of things around.</p>
<p>As I said, the categorization of the books of the Bible is a pretty well-known thing, at least to those who give more than 12 seconds&#8217; attention to anything past the sermon they hear on Sunday (a tragically small number, methinks).  Kids are taught in Sunday school and everything&#8230; I think they have songs that help them remember.  I wouldn&#8217;t know, I was never in Sunday school. (and when I hear some of the songs, I&#8217;m glad)</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The god may have (arguably) &quot;known&quot; it, but that still doesn&#039;t excuse Abraham&#039;s non-omnipotent actions.  As far as Abraham was concerned, demanding a human sacrifice—in person—from a single individual, was still within the MO of his god.

Also, the &quot;thou shall not murder/kill&quot; supposedly happened with Moses, well after Abraham.

2) Child sacrifice laws existed.  They could have been changed (as the god in question is supposed to have done with the Moses and Jesus characters) the laws at any time and without external prompting.

3) I think that&#039;s the lamest apologetic I&#039;ve ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The god may have (arguably) &#8220;known&#8221; it, but that still doesn&#8217;t excuse Abraham&#8217;s non-omnipotent actions.  As far as Abraham was concerned, demanding a human sacrifice—in person—from a single individual, was still within the MO of his god.</p>
<p>Also, the &#8220;thou shall not murder/kill&#8221; supposedly happened with Moses, well after Abraham.</p>
<p>2) Child sacrifice laws existed.  They could have been changed (as the god in question is supposed to have done with the Moses and Jesus characters) the laws at any time and without external prompting.</p>
<p>3) I think that&#8217;s the lamest apologetic I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
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