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		<title>By: 7 Things You Need to Know About Chiropractic Therapy &#171; Rodibidably</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-53682</link>
		<dc:creator>7 Things You Need to Know About Chiropractic Therapy &#171; Rodibidably</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    7 Things You Need to Know About Chiropractic&#160;Therapy July 14, 2009   [Originally posted by: Unreasonable Faith] 1) It was founded by a quack.Daniel David Palmer discovered the power of spinal manipulation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    7 Things You Need to Know About Chiropractic&nbsp;Therapy July 14, 2009   [Originally posted by: Unreasonable Faith] 1) It was founded by a quack.Daniel David Palmer discovered the power of spinal manipulation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Panda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2x more likely to have sex?  I&#039;ve been seeing a mixer, the hottest piece of DC ass in town, and he hasn&#039;t so much as felt me up!  I wish that was the case here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2x more likely to have sex?  I&#8217;ve been seeing a mixer, the hottest piece of DC ass in town, and he hasn&#8217;t so much as felt me up!  I wish that was the case here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By convention the only MDs in the UK not called Dr. are surgeons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By convention the only MDs in the UK not called Dr. are surgeons.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorOz</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-52896</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfessorOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, if you read carefully what I wrote, I said that they are granted the title by state licensure: &quot;Most states license chiropractors and all them to use the title “Dr.” I use it where appropriate.&quot; So, it doesn&#039;t matter what level of education they have. They are entitled to use the title &quot;Dr.&quot; 

As for psychologists, in my state, they can&#039;t practice without a PhD. And they are called, as they should be, &quot;Dr.&quot;

Please read more carefully before writing comments about what you think a person in my position should or shouldn&#039;t hold as an opinion. My opinions are supported by the literature and facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, if you read carefully what I wrote, I said that they are granted the title by state licensure: &#8220;Most states license chiropractors and all them to use the title “Dr.” I use it where appropriate.&#8221; So, it doesn&#8217;t matter what level of education they have. They are entitled to use the title &#8220;Dr.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for psychologists, in my state, they can&#8217;t practice without a PhD. And they are called, as they should be, &#8220;Dr.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please read more carefully before writing comments about what you think a person in my position should or shouldn&#8217;t hold as an opinion. My opinions are supported by the literature and facts.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorOz</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-52894</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfessorOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t know about chiropractic education, then. They don&#039;t go right out of high school. They have to have a bachelor&#039;s degree to get into their programs. The exact same as an MD. MDs go right from bachelors to medical school. Technically, they have the equivalent of a master&#039;s degree, four years after bachelors, just like with my masters. So, why do we call MDs &quot;doctor&quot;? They don&#039;t have the equivalent of a PhD. 

I am really surprised that someone in your position carries the opinion you do without checking your facts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know about chiropractic education, then. They don&#8217;t go right out of high school. They have to have a bachelor&#8217;s degree to get into their programs. The exact same as an MD. MDs go right from bachelors to medical school. Technically, they have the equivalent of a master&#8217;s degree, four years after bachelors, just like with my masters. So, why do we call MDs &#8220;doctor&#8221;? They don&#8217;t have the equivalent of a PhD. </p>
<p>I am really surprised that someone in your position carries the opinion you do without checking your facts.</p>
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		<title>By: azalea</title>
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		<dc:creator>azalea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has completed first a bachelor&#039;s degree, then a Master&#039;s, and finally a PhD has every right to be called &quot;Doctor.&quot;  Just like you.  Same goes for MDs.  This is a convention that has been fully accepted by society.  My FIL has a PhD in chemistry, and goes by Doctor.  You won&#039;t find a practising psychologist with a mere Master&#039;s calling him/herself &quot;Doctor.&quot;

That said, you state that someone who has done a four-year stint at some chiropractic college has the same privilege.  I have a bachelor&#039;s degree in music, which is actually a pretty tough row to hoe.  I&#039;ll start calling myself &quot;Doctor&quot; now.

I&#039;m really surprised that anyone in your position carries this opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has completed first a bachelor&#8217;s degree, then a Master&#8217;s, and finally a PhD has every right to be called &#8220;Doctor.&#8221;  Just like you.  Same goes for MDs.  This is a convention that has been fully accepted by society.  My FIL has a PhD in chemistry, and goes by Doctor.  You won&#8217;t find a practising psychologist with a mere Master&#8217;s calling him/herself &#8220;Doctor.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, you state that someone who has done a four-year stint at some chiropractic college has the same privilege.  I have a bachelor&#8217;s degree in music, which is actually a pretty tough row to hoe.  I&#8217;ll start calling myself &#8220;Doctor&#8221; now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really surprised that anyone in your position carries this opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: wintermute</title>
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		<dc:creator>wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In the UK and other countries with the British healthcare system as a model, they aren’t called “Dr.” They are called “Mr.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1) Only Britian uses the &quot;British healthcare system&quot; as a model. And, frankly, even Scotland has a different healthcare model to England. The healthcare models of Britain, Norway, France, Canada, New Zealand and Germany are as different from each other as they are from that of America.

2) I am almost certain that I&#039;ve always called my (British) doctors &quot;Dr&quot; rather than &quot;Mr&quot;. And a quick look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhs.uk/ServiceDirectories/Pages/trust.aspx?id=5K9&amp;v=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a random page of NHS doctors&lt;/a&gt; seems to confirm it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the UK and other countries with the British healthcare system as a model, they aren’t called “Dr.” They are called “Mr.”</p></blockquote>
<p>1) Only Britian uses the &#8220;British healthcare system&#8221; as a model. And, frankly, even Scotland has a different healthcare model to England. The healthcare models of Britain, Norway, France, Canada, New Zealand and Germany are as different from each other as they are from that of America.</p>
<p>2) I am almost certain that I&#8217;ve always called my (British) doctors &#8220;Dr&#8221; rather than &#8220;Mr&#8221;. And a quick look at <a href="http://www.nhs.uk/ServiceDirectories/Pages/trust.aspx?id=5K9&amp;v=2" rel="nofollow">a random page of NHS doctors</a> seems to confirm it.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorOz</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-50366</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfessorOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to learn how MDs got the honorific &quot;Dr.&quot; In the UK and other countries with the British healthcare system as a model, they aren&#039;t called &quot;Dr.&quot; They are called &quot;Mr.&quot; Physicians used to be barbers who did &quot;surgery&quot; on the side. In the late 1800s, they decided to change how the public in America saw their &quot;profession&quot; and went all out to get the &quot;G-d&quot; status and to make nurses their servants, since nurses were more respected then and still are actually, if the Gallup Polls are right.

I have no problem with calling them &quot;Dr.&quot; or anyone else who has earned a degree or license that allows you to be called &quot;Dr.&quot; I have a problem with their not according me or chiropractors or anyone else so entitled by the same title. I&#039;m not big on being called &quot;Dr.&quot;, I assure you. The only time I insist is when an MD insists on calling me by my first name and won&#039;t allow me to do the same.

I&#039;m delighted to see you are in nursing school. I hope you will work your way up to Dr. Nurse someday. We need bright young men and women to lead our profession in these troubled times.

With apologies for getting off the topic here. It just seemed to me the point of many posts here wasn&#039;t the value of chiropracty, but the use of the title, which they are allowed to use most everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to learn how MDs got the honorific &#8220;Dr.&#8221; In the UK and other countries with the British healthcare system as a model, they aren&#8217;t called &#8220;Dr.&#8221; They are called &#8220;Mr.&#8221; Physicians used to be barbers who did &#8220;surgery&#8221; on the side. In the late 1800s, they decided to change how the public in America saw their &#8220;profession&#8221; and went all out to get the &#8220;G-d&#8221; status and to make nurses their servants, since nurses were more respected then and still are actually, if the Gallup Polls are right.</p>
<p>I have no problem with calling them &#8220;Dr.&#8221; or anyone else who has earned a degree or license that allows you to be called &#8220;Dr.&#8221; I have a problem with their not according me or chiropractors or anyone else so entitled by the same title. I&#8217;m not big on being called &#8220;Dr.&#8221;, I assure you. The only time I insist is when an MD insists on calling me by my first name and won&#8217;t allow me to do the same.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m delighted to see you are in nursing school. I hope you will work your way up to Dr. Nurse someday. We need bright young men and women to lead our profession in these troubled times.</p>
<p>With apologies for getting off the topic here. It just seemed to me the point of many posts here wasn&#8217;t the value of chiropracty, but the use of the title, which they are allowed to use most everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Custador</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-50351</link>
		<dc:creator>Custador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weeeell, no. If you have a PhD then you earned it. Medical doctors use the title as an honorific, they&#039;re not actually doctors as academia defines the word. By the way, I&#039;m a student nurse :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weeeell, no. If you have a PhD then you earned it. Medical doctors use the title as an honorific, they&#8217;re not actually doctors as academia defines the word. By the way, I&#8217;m a student nurse :)</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorOz</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-50349</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfessorOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you refuse to call PhDs &quot;doctor&quot;? What about psychologists? Or osteopaths? I&#039;m a nurse, not a physician, so don&#039;t get me wrong about how I&#039;m responding. It&#039;s not related to the chiropractic topic; what I take exception to is that people seem to think all &quot;doctors&quot; are physicians and only physicians should be called &quot;doctor&quot;. Most states license chiropractors and all them to use the title &quot;Dr.&quot; I use it where appropriate.

I have a PhD and some people refuse to call me &quot;Dr.&quot;, because I&#039;m a nurse. I never try to introduce myself to patients as &quot;Dr.&quot; and, if it comes up, I explain what my PhD is in. I will say this, a PhD is a higher degree than a MD is. Degrees are ranked and academic degrees rank higher than practice degrees. The PhD is academic. The MD is practice.

A chiropractor is a doctor. I am a doctor. A physician is a doctor. We all earned the right to be so called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you refuse to call PhDs &#8220;doctor&#8221;? What about psychologists? Or osteopaths? I&#8217;m a nurse, not a physician, so don&#8217;t get me wrong about how I&#8217;m responding. It&#8217;s not related to the chiropractic topic; what I take exception to is that people seem to think all &#8220;doctors&#8221; are physicians and only physicians should be called &#8220;doctor&#8221;. Most states license chiropractors and all them to use the title &#8220;Dr.&#8221; I use it where appropriate.</p>
<p>I have a PhD and some people refuse to call me &#8220;Dr.&#8221;, because I&#8217;m a nurse. I never try to introduce myself to patients as &#8220;Dr.&#8221; and, if it comes up, I explain what my PhD is in. I will say this, a PhD is a higher degree than a MD is. Degrees are ranked and academic degrees rank higher than practice degrees. The PhD is academic. The MD is practice.</p>
<p>A chiropractor is a doctor. I am a doctor. A physician is a doctor. We all earned the right to be so called.</p>
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		<title>By: Flea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The digg link seems to be broken (or maybe &quot;subluxated&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The digg link seems to be broken (or maybe &#8220;subluxated&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-38852</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 06:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I have to step in here in defense of chiro. Call it a personal bias (my father is a chiropractor), but I think chiropractic gets a bad rap based on the wild ideas of the &quot;straight&quot; crowd. My dad does two things that I feel give his practice more legitimacy than the quacks - he only recommends his treatments for orthopedic purposes, and he doesn&#039;t limit himself to the spine (he once adjusted my wrist after I took a hard fall on it).

And what the hell is the deal with refusal to address chiropractors by the term &quot;doctor&quot;? It&#039;s an academic distinction, not a medical one. In a few years, I intend to pursue a Ph.D. in Literary and Cultural Studies. When I complete it, would anyone consider not calling me Dr. Logan simply on the basis that I don&#039;t have a medical degree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I have to step in here in defense of chiro. Call it a personal bias (my father is a chiropractor), but I think chiropractic gets a bad rap based on the wild ideas of the &#8220;straight&#8221; crowd. My dad does two things that I feel give his practice more legitimacy than the quacks &#8211; he only recommends his treatments for orthopedic purposes, and he doesn&#8217;t limit himself to the spine (he once adjusted my wrist after I took a hard fall on it).</p>
<p>And what the hell is the deal with refusal to address chiropractors by the term &#8220;doctor&#8221;? It&#8217;s an academic distinction, not a medical one. In a few years, I intend to pursue a Ph.D. in Literary and Cultural Studies. When I complete it, would anyone consider not calling me Dr. Logan simply on the basis that I don&#8217;t have a medical degree?</p>
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		<title>By: A.Ou</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-32530</link>
		<dc:creator>A.Ou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think you know the answer: DOCTORS.&quot;
You give a straw man argument - the practice of medicine, to which you owe your health, has progressed fairly well since the 18th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you know the answer: DOCTORS.&#8221;<br />
You give a straw man argument &#8211; the practice of medicine, to which you owe your health, has progressed fairly well since the 18th century.</p>
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		<title>By: From the Depths of the Tangent File &#124; Jason McGlone</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-29132</link>
		<dc:creator>From the Depths of the Tangent File &#124; Jason McGlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chiropractors are dicks, mostly. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hkyson</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/06/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-chiropractic-therapy/#comment-29131</link>
		<dc:creator>hkyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In another thread on this site, titled &quot;The Dog Delusion,&quot; I said that evidence from biology and physical anthropology has established that we as a species have been on this planet for around 100,000, perhaps even 200,000 years.  I then noted that the original writings of the bible go back only about 2,000 years.

I then asked how mankind was able to survive without the services of Moses and Christ for the tens of thousands of years before these two guys appeared on this planet and showed us how we were born into original sin and and how we could be saved from it through the grace of their deity, who in the old testament is portrayed as a petty and sadistic son of a bitch.

(In my initial survey course on the history of western civilization during my freshman year at the University of Southern California in 1956, we were told how Ikhnaton, an Egyptian pharaoh, made fundamental progress in the development of religion by coming up with the concept of monotheism, as if it were not equally superstitious to believe in one god as it is to believe in a pantheon of them.

(This demonstrates the hidden religious bias and the ethnocentrism in much of our traditional humanities curriculum, which now has been reduced because of the student rebellion that began at Stanford University not all that many years ago.)

Vive les étudiants de Stanford! Vive leur rebellion!

Harleigh Kyson Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In another thread on this site, titled &#8220;The Dog Delusion,&#8221; I said that evidence from biology and physical anthropology has established that we as a species have been on this planet for around 100,000, perhaps even 200,000 years.  I then noted that the original writings of the bible go back only about 2,000 years.</p>
<p>I then asked how mankind was able to survive without the services of Moses and Christ for the tens of thousands of years before these two guys appeared on this planet and showed us how we were born into original sin and and how we could be saved from it through the grace of their deity, who in the old testament is portrayed as a petty and sadistic son of a bitch.</p>
<p>(In my initial survey course on the history of western civilization during my freshman year at the University of Southern California in 1956, we were told how Ikhnaton, an Egyptian pharaoh, made fundamental progress in the development of religion by coming up with the concept of monotheism, as if it were not equally superstitious to believe in one god as it is to believe in a pantheon of them.</p>
<p>(This demonstrates the hidden religious bias and the ethnocentrism in much of our traditional humanities curriculum, which now has been reduced because of the student rebellion that began at Stanford University not all that many years ago.)</p>
<p>Vive les étudiants de Stanford! Vive leur rebellion!</p>
<p>Harleigh Kyson Jr.</p>
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