Comments on: If You Open Your Mind Too Much… http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/ Reasonable Thoughts on Religion, Science, Skepticism, and Atheism Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:42:22 -0400 hourly 1 By: Jabster http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33980 Jabster Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:43:04 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33980 They're not lying they're viewing the evidence with a Christian perspective which as far as I can tell means just making stuff up. They’re not lying they’re viewing the evidence with a Christian perspective which as far as I can tell means just making stuff up.

]]> By: trj http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33979 trj Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:22:46 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33979 Please answer how AiG were not lying in the specific case of "fresh" dinosaur bones. Please answer how AiG were not lying in the specific case of “fresh” dinosaur bones.

]]> By: Jabster http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33925 Jabster Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:00:27 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33925 "AIG is considered experts on the subject of creationism and they obviously do their homework." So even though you have been given clear evidence that they are intellectually dishonest you choose to ignore that fact? The rub here is the AIG is not based on science at all but instead starts from the answer of goddidit and then mis-represents information to show that to be a 'fact' and plays to the ignorance of its intended audience. I'm truly sorry that you completely fail to see the obvious truth about AIG's purpose and it's not science. “AIG is considered experts on the subject of creationism and they obviously do their homework.”

So even though you have been given clear evidence that they are intellectually dishonest you choose to ignore that fact? The rub here is the AIG is not based on science at all but instead starts from the answer of goddidit and then mis-represents information to show that to be a ‘fact’ and plays to the ignorance of its intended audience. I’m truly sorry that you completely fail to see the obvious truth about AIG’s purpose and it’s not science.

]]> By: dwade http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33918 dwade Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:38:11 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33918 @Bill Nothing I can say here can convince you, I am sure. But to attempt to answer your question of how do I know?: It is my understanding at this time that the AIG folks have thousands of financial backers, they answer to an executive board, they are well respected in the areas of theology, geology, biology, and creation studies.They also have a legal department that they are accountable to. And, They are debt free. How could an organization with their reputation and size have grown this big and acquire this amount of prestige by being deceitful....AIG is considered experts on the subject of creationism and they obviously do their homework. As you can tell by their website. (argument here) I believe the "rub" here from the skeptics is that AIG is finally addressing these issues from a Christian perspective and the skeptics don't like it. Evolutionists are probably losing money because of it. (even bigger argument here) This is my understanding. Not speaking for them. For what it's worth, I do enjoy the conversations with everyone on this site. I only wish the conversations didn't get so out of hand. take care and peace. @Bill
Nothing I can say here can convince you, I am sure.

But to attempt to answer your question of how do I know?:

It is my understanding at this time that the AIG folks have thousands of financial backers, they answer to an executive board, they are well respected in the areas of theology, geology, biology, and creation studies.They also have a legal department that they are accountable to. And, They are debt free.

How could an organization with their reputation and size have grown this big and acquire this amount of prestige by being deceitful….AIG is considered experts on the subject of creationism and they obviously do their homework. As you can tell by their website.

(argument here)

I believe the “rub” here from the skeptics is that AIG is finally addressing these issues from a Christian perspective and the skeptics don’t like it. Evolutionists are probably losing money because of it.

(even bigger argument here)

This is my understanding. Not speaking for them. For what it’s worth, I do enjoy the conversations with everyone on this site. I only wish the conversations didn’t get so out of hand.

take care and peace.

]]> By: rodneyAnonymous http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33795 rodneyAnonymous Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:08:06 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33795 AiG is not out to find absolute truth, they are out to find relative truth. It's in their <i>mission statement</i>. It's not a secret. Their conclusion is that the Bible is fact, and they seek premises to support this conclusion, and ignore premises that contradict it. It is generally considered irrational to start with a conclusion instead of premises. AiG is not out to find absolute truth, they are out to find relative truth. It’s in their mission statement. It’s not a secret.

Their conclusion is that the Bible is fact, and they seek premises to support this conclusion, and ignore premises that contradict it.

It is generally considered irrational to start with a conclusion instead of premises.

]]> By: Roger http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33794 Roger Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:04:00 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33794 Oh, give it a rest. Now you're just being tiresome and petulant. Oh, give it a rest. Now you’re just being tiresome and petulant.

]]> By: Roger http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33793 Roger Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:00:54 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33793 They do when the scientific evidence disproves everything they claim to be "true." They do when the scientific evidence disproves everything they claim to be “true.”

]]> By: rodneyAnonymous http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33792 rodneyAnonymous Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:59:42 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33792 "I have met them, they seem honest and reputable, I might attempt to prove what they say is not true, but who needs facts when you've got feelings." “I have met them, they seem honest and reputable, I might attempt to prove what they say is not true, but who needs facts when you’ve got feelings.”

]]> By: Roger http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33791 Roger Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:59:36 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33791 That and he knows the people at AiG *personally*--that totally vouches for how trustworthy and sciency their information is. That and he knows the people at AiG *personally*–that totally vouches for how trustworthy and sciency their information is.

]]> By: rodneyAnonymous http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33789 rodneyAnonymous Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:57:46 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33789 No, "blind faith" means faith without doubt or question. No, “blind faith” means faith without doubt or question.

]]> By: dwade http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33784 dwade Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:30:30 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33784 TRJ, I might attempt to prove AIG to be lying, but I know many of the people involved in this organization and they are reputable, honest people. Again, I know them personally so your claims of them presenting falsehoods is a lie. and faith is only blind faith to those that don't seek Him with a sincere heart. TRJ,
I might attempt to prove AIG to be lying, but I know many of the people involved in this organization and they are reputable, honest people. Again, I know them personally so your claims of them presenting falsehoods is a lie.

and faith is only blind faith to those that don’t seek Him with a sincere heart.

]]> By: Bill http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33763 Bill Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:19:26 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33763 That's it?! That's your defense of AIG? Ok - How do you know they don't have to? That’s it?! That’s your defense of AIG?

Ok – How do you know they don’t have to?

]]> By: trj http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33753 trj Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:01:32 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33753 Oh right, of course. It was probably accidental that: - none of AiG's sources turn out to support the claims of fresh dinosaur bones - two of the sources directly contradict it - one of the claimed sources never brought the story Yeah, probably just an honest mistake. Never meant to deceive at all. Seriously, like Bill, I'd like to hear how you think they were not lying their asses off. Oh right, of course. It was probably accidental that:
- none of AiG’s sources turn out to support the claims of fresh dinosaur bones
- two of the sources directly contradict it
- one of the claimed sources never brought the story

Yeah, probably just an honest mistake. Never meant to deceive at all.

Seriously, like Bill, I’d like to hear how you think they were not lying their asses off.

]]> By: rodneyAnonymous http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33722 rodneyAnonymous Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:06:01 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33722 <blockquote>butterscotch schnapps + Pepsi</blockquote> Ewwww :(

butterscotch schnapps + Pepsi

Ewwww :(

]]> By: Karleigh http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/20/if-you-open-your-mind-too-much/#comment-33721 Karleigh Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:05:16 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=3721#comment-33721 That should read "impossible to DISprove" btw =[ stupid butterscotch schnapps + Pepsi. What a weird mix. That should read “impossible to DISprove” btw =[ stupid butterscotch schnapps + Pepsi. What a weird mix.

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