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	<title>Comments on: Pillars of Faith: Neal Horsley, Horse’s Ass in More Ways Than One</title>
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		<title>By: Junne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF with him?!!! º0º
Im not american...in fact I live in Chile and I heard about him in the news and I just could not belive it was true!!
JUST WHAT KIND OF INSANE INDIVIDUAL COULD SAY &quot;Yes, I would kill my son if he&#039;s in my way...&quot;!?! HOW CAN SOMEONE PUT A GIANT SIGNS WITH MUTILATES BABIES EVERYWHERE AND AUTHORITIES HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL HE DOES SOMETHING &quot;REALLY DANGEROUS (like threatening a superstar)&quot; TO DO SOMETHING!!!!
I mean, i know some seek people, but this is too much!
He&#039;s against homosexuality, abort...and SEX (at least sex with humans, because, of course, being an homosexual, as well as having sex is horrible, strange, unnatural and against god...but doing it with a mule it&#039;s ok...WTF with his mind ¬¬)
and OH! I almost forgot it HE&#039;S AGAINST DEMOCRACY (&quot;...I’m not prepared to do an Abe Lincoln and talk out both sides of my mouth and try to get a majority together.&quot;) and against PEACE (&quot;I’m looking for the people who are prepared to go with me and take over the foundry, then set up shop and prepare to fight to the death. I’ll do it.”).
I don&#039;t know you guys, but democracy, peace and sex are things with some mistakes of course, but i actually love them all. o.O

PS: I was a farm kid and i cannot remember doing something strange with the livestock O.o....maybe that night...that hangover...ºoº OMG...! jakajka
Post PS: I&#039;m not good in inglish, please forgive my mistakes ú.ù</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF with him?!!! º0º<br />
Im not american&#8230;in fact I live in Chile and I heard about him in the news and I just could not belive it was true!!<br />
JUST WHAT KIND OF INSANE INDIVIDUAL COULD SAY &#8220;Yes, I would kill my son if he&#8217;s in my way&#8230;&#8221;!?! HOW CAN SOMEONE PUT A GIANT SIGNS WITH MUTILATES BABIES EVERYWHERE AND AUTHORITIES HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL HE DOES SOMETHING &#8220;REALLY DANGEROUS (like threatening a superstar)&#8221; TO DO SOMETHING!!!!<br />
I mean, i know some seek people, but this is too much!<br />
He&#8217;s against homosexuality, abort&#8230;and SEX (at least sex with humans, because, of course, being an homosexual, as well as having sex is horrible, strange, unnatural and against god&#8230;but doing it with a mule it&#8217;s ok&#8230;WTF with his mind ¬¬)<br />
and OH! I almost forgot it HE&#8217;S AGAINST DEMOCRACY (&#8220;&#8230;I’m not prepared to do an Abe Lincoln and talk out both sides of my mouth and try to get a majority together.&#8221;) and against PEACE (&#8220;I’m looking for the people who are prepared to go with me and take over the foundry, then set up shop and prepare to fight to the death. I’ll do it.”).<br />
I don&#8217;t know you guys, but democracy, peace and sex are things with some mistakes of course, but i actually love them all. o.O</p>
<p>PS: I was a farm kid and i cannot remember doing something strange with the livestock O.o&#8230;.maybe that night&#8230;that hangover&#8230;ºoº OMG&#8230;! jakajka<br />
Post PS: I&#8217;m not good in inglish, please forgive my mistakes ú.ù</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess he went from screwing livestock to screwing the public.</description>
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		<title>By: Janet Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw my cats making out a few times...does that count?</description>
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		<title>By: Neal Horsley, Government Candidate for the Georgia Creator's Rights Party, Admits To Having Sex With Donkeys and Watermelons &#124; Prose Before Hos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Horsley, Government Candidate for the Georgia Creator's Rights Party, Admits To Having Sex With Donkeys and Watermelons &#124; Prose Before Hos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See Also: Humping Horses, Killing Kids-the Righteous Ways of Neal Horsley, Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Runs On Anti-Abortion Platform, But Mule Gets In The Way, and Pillars of Faith: Neal Horsley, Horse’s Ass in More Ways Than One. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See Also: Humping Horses, Killing Kids-the Righteous Ways of Neal Horsley, Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Runs On Anti-Abortion Platform, But Mule Gets In The Way, and Pillars of Faith: Neal Horsley, Horse’s Ass in More Ways Than One. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vorjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>vorjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an update on Horsley: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/x-1765-Underground-Examiner~y2009m4d29-Secessionist-ready-to-kill-own-son-to-dissolve-Union-Ill-do-it&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secessionist ready to kill own son to dissolve Union&lt;/a&gt;

The sad part is, that headline isn&#039;t inaccurate.  Apparently, Horsley is estranged from his immediate family because of his extremism.  Now he&#039;s running for Governor of Texas, and his goal is to secede.  The interviewer wonders if he&#039;s considered the consequences, and ask if he has a son in the military:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&quot;I have a son who was a Sergeant in the Army,&quot; he says.

We ask him if you won the election, and you seceded, what would you do if the United States government sent your son to stop you? Would you be willing to kill your own son? Because that&#039;s what we&#039;re talking about if you start another Civil War -- brother against brother. That&#039;s when he relates the following story.

One day, he&#039;s in his room arguing with his son (his family tries to talk him out of his extreme positions), and finally loses it. &quot;He literally attacked me,&quot; Horsley says. &quot;He weighs 220 lbs like a Bulldog and said &#039;Don’t say another word!&#039;&quot;

The second time his son slammed him down, when Horsley got up, he had a pocket knife out. &quot;My son looks at me and says, &#039;So, it’s life or death, huh?&#039; and I said, &#039;Yeah, life or death son. Don’t come back until you’re ready to apologize to me.&#039; The point is, I was one foot from killing my own son, or hurting him really, really bad. If he would have attacked me again, I would have stuck him. Or cut him or sliced him or done something to stop him. That&#039;s the point, you hypothetical has literally already been worked out with me, and that’s what makes me different from the other candidates for Governor. They understand I’m not like no politician they have looked at, ever. I am prepared to do a John Brown. I’m not prepared to do an Abe Lincoln and talk out both sides of my mouth and try to get a majority together. I’m looking for the people who are prepared to go with me and take over the foundry, then set up shop and prepare to fight to the death. I’ll do it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an update on Horsley: <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1765-Underground-Examiner~y2009m4d29-Secessionist-ready-to-kill-own-son-to-dissolve-Union-Ill-do-it" rel="nofollow">Secessionist ready to kill own son to dissolve Union</a></p>
<p>The sad part is, that headline isn&#8217;t inaccurate.  Apparently, Horsley is estranged from his immediate family because of his extremism.  Now he&#8217;s running for Governor of Texas, and his goal is to secede.  The interviewer wonders if he&#8217;s considered the consequences, and ask if he has a son in the military:<br />
&#8220;I have a son who was a Sergeant in the Army,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>We ask him if you won the election, and you seceded, what would you do if the United States government sent your son to stop you? Would you be willing to kill your own son? Because that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re talking about if you start another Civil War &#8212; brother against brother. That&#8217;s when he relates the following story.</p>
<p>One day, he&#8217;s in his room arguing with his son (his family tries to talk him out of his extreme positions), and finally loses it. &#8220;He literally attacked me,&#8221; Horsley says. &#8220;He weighs 220 lbs like a Bulldog and said &#8216;Don’t say another word!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>The second time his son slammed him down, when Horsley got up, he had a pocket knife out. &#8220;My son looks at me and says, &#8216;So, it’s life or death, huh?&#8217; and I said, &#8216;Yeah, life or death son. Don’t come back until you’re ready to apologize to me.&#8217; The point is, I was one foot from killing my own son, or hurting him really, really bad. If he would have attacked me again, I would have stuck him. Or cut him or sliced him or done something to stop him. That&#8217;s the point, you hypothetical has literally already been worked out with me, and that’s what makes me different from the other candidates for Governor. They understand I’m not like no politician they have looked at, ever. I am prepared to do a John Brown. I’m not prepared to do an Abe Lincoln and talk out both sides of my mouth and try to get a majority together. I’m looking for the people who are prepared to go with me and take over the foundry, then set up shop and prepare to fight to the death. I’ll do it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Oklahoman, I have to admit that people like that make up a majority of successful politicians in this part of the country. Sad, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Oklahoman, I have to admit that people like that make up a majority of successful politicians in this part of the country. Sad, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: rodneyAnonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodneyAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For one thing, I was agreeing with you (and disagreeing with Red Dave) that &quot;the right to free speech&quot; does not automatically protect public displays of horrific images.  It is a fair question to wonder why that&#039;s legal, but a public display of a photograph of a naked person is illegal.

For another, yeah, sedition is an exception to the first amendment.  You can talk about sedition all you want, but you can&#039;t legally recruit for a mission to execute it.  You can say you &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to overthrow the government, but you can&#039;t say you &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt;.  Etc.  Note that this is a controversial idea and assessments are made case-by-case and are strongly affected by context.  When I say &quot;sedition is an exception to the first amendment&quot;, I mean that sedition has in fact been used by the US Supreme Court as grounds for exceptions to the first amendment; not that all sedition is a just exception.

Citizens of the US and other &quot;Western powers&quot; enjoy vastly more liberties than, say, an Egyptian slave.  But not absolute liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment?</p></blockquote>
<p>For one thing, I was agreeing with you (and disagreeing with Red Dave) that &#8220;the right to free speech&#8221; does not automatically protect public displays of horrific images.  It is a fair question to wonder why that&#8217;s legal, but a public display of a photograph of a naked person is illegal.</p>
<p>For another, yeah, sedition is an exception to the first amendment.  You can talk about sedition all you want, but you can&#8217;t legally recruit for a mission to execute it.  You can say you <i>want</i> to overthrow the government, but you can&#8217;t say you <i>will</i>.  Etc.  Note that this is a controversial idea and assessments are made case-by-case and are strongly affected by context.  When I say &#8220;sedition is an exception to the first amendment&#8221;, I mean that sedition has in fact been used by the US Supreme Court as grounds for exceptions to the first amendment; not that all sedition is a just exception.</p>
<p>Citizens of the US and other &#8220;Western powers&#8221; enjoy vastly more liberties than, say, an Egyptian slave.  But not absolute liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: A Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Taylor, 
You really shouldn&#039;t give Rev. (sic) Spitz&#039;s opinions on the beliefs or behavior of others any more publicity than they already get. He uses his own website to try to make heroes out of murdering terrorists like Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph, John Salvi, and James Kopp. He is so delusional that he thinks that he was ordained by the International Gospel Crusade, a denomination that only exists in his imagination.  BTW, the Virginia State Police recently listed Mr. Spitz&#039;s Army of God, as a domestic terrorist organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Taylor,<br />
You really shouldn&#8217;t give Rev. (sic) Spitz&#8217;s opinions on the beliefs or behavior of others any more publicity than they already get. He uses his own website to try to make heroes out of murdering terrorists like Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph, John Salvi, and James Kopp. He is so delusional that he thinks that he was ordained by the International Gospel Crusade, a denomination that only exists in his imagination.  BTW, the Virginia State Police recently listed Mr. Spitz&#8217;s Army of God, as a domestic terrorist organization.</p>
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		<title>By: claidheamh mor</title>
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		<dc:creator>claidheamh mor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A co-worker and I emailed him about this, wondering how he would respond. 

I wrote:
&lt;i&gt;I wanted a public way to ask you, since you pretend to hate abortions, if you&#039;ve ever gotten off your ass and done something useful, helpful and compassionate toward providing the safe, effective, inexpensive, easily available vasectomies and contraception that prevents the need for abortions?

If you really hated abortions, you&#039;d do something to help people prevention them. Otherwise, you must be merely hateful and punitive.

For people who have sex with people, I mean, to prevent pregnancies. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re really a Neal Horse-&quot;lover&quot; like some people are saying. &lt;/i&gt;

He wrote:
&lt;i&gt;People can prevent abortion by abstaining from illicit sexual intercourse.  As governor, I will implement coitus control measures by working for statutes criminalizing illicit sexual intercourse.  Thank you for your support.  You can mail donations to:
 
Horsley for Governor 
etc. etc.&lt;/i&gt;

He is showing his true colors: NO SEX!
Not with people, anyway.
And, since only women get pregnant, he can punish only women.

Some of you live in the south. Can someone this dishonest, and punitive toward having sex, actually get anywhere in Georgia? I was hoping that the stereotypes we discussed in other blogs about the south were going or gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A co-worker and I emailed him about this, wondering how he would respond. </p>
<p>I wrote:<br />
<i>I wanted a public way to ask you, since you pretend to hate abortions, if you&#8217;ve ever gotten off your ass and done something useful, helpful and compassionate toward providing the safe, effective, inexpensive, easily available vasectomies and contraception that prevents the need for abortions?</p>
<p>If you really hated abortions, you&#8217;d do something to help people prevention them. Otherwise, you must be merely hateful and punitive.</p>
<p>For people who have sex with people, I mean, to prevent pregnancies. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re really a Neal Horse-&#8221;lover&#8221; like some people are saying. </i></p>
<p>He wrote:<br />
<i>People can prevent abortion by abstaining from illicit sexual intercourse.  As governor, I will implement coitus control measures by working for statutes criminalizing illicit sexual intercourse.  Thank you for your support.  You can mail donations to:</p>
<p>Horsley for Governor<br />
etc. etc.</i></p>
<p>He is showing his true colors: NO SEX!<br />
Not with people, anyway.<br />
And, since only women get pregnant, he can punish only women.</p>
<p>Some of you live in the south. Can someone this dishonest, and punitive toward having sex, actually get anywhere in Georgia? I was hoping that the stereotypes we discussed in other blogs about the south were going or gone.</p>
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		<title>By: vorjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>vorjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment?&quot;

It depends on how far the sedition goes.  If they catch you plotting the overthrow of the government over the phone, that counts as seditious conspiracy.  Despite the fact that you haven&#039;t done anything yet, it&#039;s still a crime.  I suspect that the prosecution would have to prove that there was good reason to think that you would and could make the attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment?&#8221;</p>
<p>It depends on how far the sedition goes.  If they catch you plotting the overthrow of the government over the phone, that counts as seditious conspiracy.  Despite the fact that you haven&#8217;t done anything yet, it&#8217;s still a crime.  I suspect that the prosecution would have to prove that there was good reason to think that you would and could make the attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: claidheamh mor</title>
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		<dc:creator>claidheamh mor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and of course, anything advocating harm or murder of healthcare workers and choice activists has to be incitement to crime...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and of course, anything advocating harm or murder of healthcare workers and choice activists has to be incitement to crime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZING!</description>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment? I mean, obviously the Bush administration certainly seemed to believe so, but I always chalked that up as part of the multiple rampant abuses of the constitution by GWB.

Additionally, and more to the point, I don&#039;t see how photos of mutilated fetuses wouldn&#039;t fall under the &quot;obscenity&quot; category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, are you sure sedition is an exception to the first amendment? I mean, obviously the Bush administration certainly seemed to believe so, but I always chalked that up as part of the multiple rampant abuses of the constitution by GWB.</p>
<p>Additionally, and more to the point, I don&#8217;t see how photos of mutilated fetuses wouldn&#8217;t fall under the &#8220;obscenity&#8221; category.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew N.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew N.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s safe to say he got off his ass at one point or another.  Unless she was always faking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s safe to say he got off his ass at one point or another.  Unless she was always faking it.</p>
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