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		<title>By: RBH</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/06/06/whats-the-worst-thing-you-did-in-youth-group/#comment-46687</link>
		<dc:creator>RBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John C wrote&lt;blockquote&gt;The secret is to let Him live His life thru us, I found thats the real life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s the very definition of a meat puppet.</description>
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<blockquote>The secret is to let Him live His life thru us, I found thats the real life.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the very definition of a meat puppet.</p>
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		<title>By: Phrankygee</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/06/06/whats-the-worst-thing-you-did-in-youth-group/#comment-45703</link>
		<dc:creator>Phrankygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See sub-thread below, Re: Babies, Eating Of.</description>
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		<title>By: Phrankygee</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/06/06/whats-the-worst-thing-you-did-in-youth-group/#comment-45702</link>
		<dc:creator>Phrankygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but those friends... all together now.... Aren&#039;t REAL Christians, or they would be happy, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but those friends&#8230; all together now&#8230;. Aren&#8217;t REAL Christians, or they would be happy, right?</p>
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		<title>By: VidLord</title>
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		<dc:creator>VidLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great story. the devote girls were always the aggressors with me as well. Unfortunately I was too prude/stupid/controlled by guilt to take advantage. If I could only go back in time....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great story. the devote girls were always the aggressors with me as well. Unfortunately I was too prude/stupid/controlled by guilt to take advantage. If I could only go back in time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkMatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkMatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A familiar hand language.</description>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/06/06/whats-the-worst-thing-you-did-in-youth-group/#comment-45539</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did you come through that childhood?  I thought my childhood was crazy (superfundie mother in the church of christ)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you come through that childhood?  I thought my childhood was crazy (superfundie mother in the church of christ)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/06/06/whats-the-worst-thing-you-did-in-youth-group/#comment-45538</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a youth group party, some of the girls started &#039;hand dancing&#039;, that is making hand and arm motions in time to music. The adult advisors were horrified. It was bad enough that some of us danced at all, but at a church sponsored function!
Eventually the church split with some of us staying with the main stream national organization, and a large contingent forming a new church affiliated with a fundamentalist org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a youth group party, some of the girls started &#8216;hand dancing&#8217;, that is making hand and arm motions in time to music. The adult advisors were horrified. It was bad enough that some of us danced at all, but at a church sponsored function!<br />
Eventually the church split with some of us staying with the main stream national organization, and a large contingent forming a new church affiliated with a fundamentalist org.</p>
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		<title>By: wazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>wazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And that&#039;s what you holy men discuss is it?&quot;
&quot;Not usually. There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment on the nature of sin, for example.&quot;
&quot;And what do they think? Against it, are they?&quot;
&quot;It is not as simple as that. It&#039;s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray.&quot;
&quot;Nope.&quot;
&quot;Pardon?&quot;
There&#039;s no grays, only white that&#039;s got grubby. I&#039;m surprised you don&#039;t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That&#039;s what sin is.&quot;
&quot;It&#039;s a lot more complicated than that--&quot;
&quot;No it ain&#039;t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they&#039;re getting worried that they won&#039;t like the truth. People as things, that&#039;s where it starts.&quot;
&quot;Oh, I&#039;m sure there are worse crimes-&quot;
&quot;But they Starts with thinking about people as things.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And that&#8217;s what you holy men discuss is it?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Not usually. There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment on the nature of sin, for example.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;And what do they think? Against it, are they?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It is not as simple as that. It&#8217;s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Nope.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Pardon?&#8221;<br />
There&#8217;s no grays, only white that&#8217;s got grubby. I&#8217;m surprised you don&#8217;t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That&#8217;s what sin is.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s a lot more complicated than that&#8211;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No it ain&#8217;t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they&#8217;re getting worried that they won&#8217;t like the truth. People as things, that&#8217;s where it starts.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m sure there are worse crimes-&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But they Starts with thinking about people as things.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: L. Jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start with an anecdote: The first time I was lucky enough to receive a bit of felatio (every man remembers his first) I was feeling worried that it was sinful. I was roughly 15 and in my girlfriend&#039;s house across the street from church killing time before a youth group meeting - a sort of bible study. 
As she moved south I started praying in my head - and as she went for it I simultaneously was asking god to bless us. Praying and explaining how we loved each other and that we wanted to marry each other and that I hoped god blessed us because we were just showing love to each other, not doing anything bad. Then, of course, I finished praying and could not believe this amazing experience I was having for the first time.

Since I was a young boy I&#039;ve just so happened to be gentle / repulsed by violence or deliberate emotional harming so I don&#039;t have many memories of hazing or terrorizing others. But I have always had close relationships with females and been quite interested in them. Predictably, most of my youth group &quot;sinning&quot; memories are sexual in nature.

&quot;Sinning&quot; is in quotes because even when I was young I didn&#039;t quite buy a lot of the shame placed on intimate contact. Many of my girlfriends did buy into that and would feel bad afterward, but interestingly enough, they were still the sexual aggressor. It must have been a strange rollercoaster of emotion for them.

Anyway, I recall showing up late to youth group meetings (or whatever function) with the particular girl and having our scents all over each other. I would avoid sitting or walking too close to pastors or counselor because I was worried they could smell that familiar smell that I thought must be obvious. 

I&#039;ll avoid many of the stories in my head and get to a good one that involves sinning across faiths, damned by quite a few gods.

Late in High School (and into college) I dated a Mormon young lady for about 2 years. While they are incredibly strict about such behaviors (no kissing, especially passionate kissing) after a number of months, I was getting more action from my Mormon girlfriend than those from less strict faiths that I cared for in the past. She attended a churchish/youth service/scripture study every single day. Sundays are incredibly sacred for LDS people and they spend about 3 hours at church that day. My family would go to our Lutheran church early in the morning, I would drive home (my parents taught sunday school) and on my girlfriends way to her Mormon Sunday Church Marathon she would stop at my house for about an hour while my parents were still gone and we would exorcise demons in our own way. 

I am truly amazed by the behaviors of many devout believers of any kind. While she never had seen an R rated movie, never touched alcohol, didn&#039;t consume caffeine, never swore, and was way into all things Mormon, she flashed me when her parents weren&#039;t looking, screamed and moaned sexual commands, and could reach orgasm easier and in more ways than anyone else I have ever encountered. 

All this in or next to her modest church dress and minutes before attending 3 hours of deeply pious worship services.

God bless repressed sexuality and rebellion; so exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start with an anecdote: The first time I was lucky enough to receive a bit of felatio (every man remembers his first) I was feeling worried that it was sinful. I was roughly 15 and in my girlfriend&#8217;s house across the street from church killing time before a youth group meeting &#8211; a sort of bible study.<br />
As she moved south I started praying in my head &#8211; and as she went for it I simultaneously was asking god to bless us. Praying and explaining how we loved each other and that we wanted to marry each other and that I hoped god blessed us because we were just showing love to each other, not doing anything bad. Then, of course, I finished praying and could not believe this amazing experience I was having for the first time.</p>
<p>Since I was a young boy I&#8217;ve just so happened to be gentle / repulsed by violence or deliberate emotional harming so I don&#8217;t have many memories of hazing or terrorizing others. But I have always had close relationships with females and been quite interested in them. Predictably, most of my youth group &#8220;sinning&#8221; memories are sexual in nature.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sinning&#8221; is in quotes because even when I was young I didn&#8217;t quite buy a lot of the shame placed on intimate contact. Many of my girlfriends did buy into that and would feel bad afterward, but interestingly enough, they were still the sexual aggressor. It must have been a strange rollercoaster of emotion for them.</p>
<p>Anyway, I recall showing up late to youth group meetings (or whatever function) with the particular girl and having our scents all over each other. I would avoid sitting or walking too close to pastors or counselor because I was worried they could smell that familiar smell that I thought must be obvious. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll avoid many of the stories in my head and get to a good one that involves sinning across faiths, damned by quite a few gods.</p>
<p>Late in High School (and into college) I dated a Mormon young lady for about 2 years. While they are incredibly strict about such behaviors (no kissing, especially passionate kissing) after a number of months, I was getting more action from my Mormon girlfriend than those from less strict faiths that I cared for in the past. She attended a churchish/youth service/scripture study every single day. Sundays are incredibly sacred for LDS people and they spend about 3 hours at church that day. My family would go to our Lutheran church early in the morning, I would drive home (my parents taught sunday school) and on my girlfriends way to her Mormon Sunday Church Marathon she would stop at my house for about an hour while my parents were still gone and we would exorcise demons in our own way. </p>
<p>I am truly amazed by the behaviors of many devout believers of any kind. While she never had seen an R rated movie, never touched alcohol, didn&#8217;t consume caffeine, never swore, and was way into all things Mormon, she flashed me when her parents weren&#8217;t looking, screamed and moaned sexual commands, and could reach orgasm easier and in more ways than anyone else I have ever encountered. </p>
<p>All this in or next to her modest church dress and minutes before attending 3 hours of deeply pious worship services.</p>
<p>God bless repressed sexuality and rebellion; so exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: wazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>wazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is also the problem of evil; how can an all-powerful and benevolent god let evils such as your grammar into the world?

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is also the problem of evil; how can an all-powerful and benevolent god let evils such as your grammar into the world?</p>
<p>:P</p>
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		<title>By: markbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>markbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; one I met with weekly for a year, and even he couldn’t answer my “hard” questions. &quot; 

Out of curiosity was thier any 1 or 2 questions that your teacher couldnt answer. 

Also when the teacher/guru was studying with you did you ever ask the guy/lady why they couldnt answer certain reasonable questions that you came up with. 

I guesse Im asking because thier are so many ridicilous things in the bible, such as the advice that god gives about selling ones daughter into slavery that if you were to ask a christian ( to thier face not by blog or email) why would a perfect god do that what Im sure the expression on the face of a christians would be priceless. 

Also their is the problem of a loving and perfect god refusing to explain your, mine and other skeptics questions about  some of the absurd things inside of the bible when people have prayed as hard as they could for answers from god</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; one I met with weekly for a year, and even he couldn’t answer my “hard” questions. &#8221; </p>
<p>Out of curiosity was thier any 1 or 2 questions that your teacher couldnt answer. </p>
<p>Also when the teacher/guru was studying with you did you ever ask the guy/lady why they couldnt answer certain reasonable questions that you came up with. </p>
<p>I guesse Im asking because thier are so many ridicilous things in the bible, such as the advice that god gives about selling ones daughter into slavery that if you were to ask a christian ( to thier face not by blog or email) why would a perfect god do that what Im sure the expression on the face of a christians would be priceless. </p>
<p>Also their is the problem of a loving and perfect god refusing to explain your, mine and other skeptics questions about  some of the absurd things inside of the bible when people have prayed as hard as they could for answers from god</p>
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		<title>By: John C</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet,

Thanks for your thoughtful response, much appreciated. All the very best to you Janet.</description>
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<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response, much appreciated. All the very best to you Janet.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, ok, I give in. Much as it goes against my wicked &quot;atheist&quot; title, I&#039;m pretty straight!  I don&#039;t drink excessively, I&#039;m kind to people and animals, I only swear when it&#039;s really, really required (stub my toe, get into it with a fundie, you know), I don&#039;t party, I don&#039;t cheat on my boyfriend (even though it&#039;s a long-distance relationship). I love playing with my cats, smelling lilacs, and going to cool coffee shops with friends. Man, I need to change my life. Where are all the rebel antics that I&#039;m allowed to do since I don&#039;t believe in god???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, ok, I give in. Much as it goes against my wicked &#8220;atheist&#8221; title, I&#8217;m pretty straight!  I don&#8217;t drink excessively, I&#8217;m kind to people and animals, I only swear when it&#8217;s really, really required (stub my toe, get into it with a fundie, you know), I don&#8217;t party, I don&#8217;t cheat on my boyfriend (even though it&#8217;s a long-distance relationship). I love playing with my cats, smelling lilacs, and going to cool coffee shops with friends. Man, I need to change my life. Where are all the rebel antics that I&#8217;m allowed to do since I don&#8217;t believe in god???</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and maybe a little more heavy metal music. Otherwise, it sounds about right. (Except for the fact that almost all christians I know live in constant fear and guilt, so something ain&#039;t workin&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and maybe a little more heavy metal music. Otherwise, it sounds about right. (Except for the fact that almost all christians I know live in constant fear and guilt, so something ain&#8217;t workin&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LRA - I&#039;m thinking you and I saw the same therapist...</description>
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