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		<title>By: Trey</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-54163</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horrifying racist drivel. As if being Muslim was some kind of dread disease.</description>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-52893</link>
		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is retarded. I hope for a world with NO RELIGION! Then maybe well discover how to travel to other universes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is retarded. I hope for a world with NO RELIGION! Then maybe well discover how to travel to other universes.</p>
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		<title>By: Aor</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-52260</link>
		<dc:creator>Aor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something tells me you just won&#039;t concede this point, yet again.

Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something tells me you just won&#8217;t concede this point, yet again.</p>
<p>Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Francesc</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-52023</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...when the Quran contains less racism, violence and hatred than the Bible&quot;
Can you justify that, please? 
I have the &quot;idea&quot; that they can&#039;t be so different, but I don&#039;t know Quran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;when the Quran contains less racism, violence and hatred than the Bible&#8221;<br />
Can you justify that, please?<br />
I have the &#8220;idea&#8221; that they can&#8217;t be so different, but I don&#8217;t know Quran</p>
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		<title>By: Siberia</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-52018</link>
		<dc:creator>Siberia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you lived in Sri Lanka, where the Tamil Tigers have been murdering people for decades, you might have a different opinion on that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet Wiki says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a secular organization, regarding the religious beliefs of its members as private matters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve no doubt some of those people might be Buddhists (even though it contradicts one of the Noble Truths, but whatever) but there&#039;s a difference between using religion as a catalyst for violence (such as Islamic terrorirsts and Christian Crusaders did and do) and merely being religious.

Whatever the catalyst, in the end, it&#039;s all a matter of us vs them. Religion is just one of the strongest catalysts out there, these days - failing there, there&#039;ll be others: race, ideology, philosophy, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you lived in Sri Lanka, where the Tamil Tigers have been murdering people for decades, you might have a different opinion on that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet Wiki says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a secular organization, regarding the religious beliefs of its members as private matters.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve no doubt some of those people might be Buddhists (even though it contradicts one of the Noble Truths, but whatever) but there&#8217;s a difference between using religion as a catalyst for violence (such as Islamic terrorirsts and Christian Crusaders did and do) and merely being religious.</p>
<p>Whatever the catalyst, in the end, it&#8217;s all a matter of us vs them. Religion is just one of the strongest catalysts out there, these days &#8211; failing there, there&#8217;ll be others: race, ideology, philosophy, whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: P.S.</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-52008</link>
		<dc:creator>P.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Disparaging Christianity because of those who do not obey Christ, is like disparaging the sun when it doesn’t shine.

Anyone from any religion can say so about his beliefs. Prove I&#039;m wrong if I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Disparaging Christianity because of those who do not obey Christ, is like disparaging the sun when it doesn’t shine.</p>
<p>Anyone from any religion can say so about his beliefs. Prove I&#8217;m wrong if I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Aor</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51949</link>
		<dc:creator>Aor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for finally agreeing with my central point.  Now would you care to explain how that does not change everything else you have said here?  I think it tears the foundation out from under your position, but naturally you will wiggle around some more and hope to find a way out.  Sorry, but there isn&#039;t one.  

You agree that belief in an afterlife is a contributing factor in deaths worldwide, but you evade by stating that it is incredibly different from a mother killing her children.  Explain exactly how it is different.  I don&#039;t think it is, and  don&#039;t think you can defend that position logically.  I will need you to explain how and why, because simply stating it doesn&#039;t convince me in the slightest.

&lt;blockquote&gt; But that scenario, in my estimation, is incredibly different from a mother suffering from postpartum depression. In the latter scenario, I personally don’t think that belief in an afterlife can be blamed, and that’s a result of studying psychology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Contributing factor.  Not entirely to blame, contributing factor.  I have a hard time believing you can&#039;t grasp this concept.  I think you are just trying to wiggle out of the inescapable reasoning.  A mother suffering from postpartum depression who did not belief in an afterlife may still kill her self, and perhaps even her children, but the chances in my opinion go down greatly.  I can sense that you want a way to not agree with this, but you really should take a moment to think it through.  If that mother did not believe in a happier place to send her children, the chances of killing those children decrease.  I simply cannot see how you could argue against that point in an honest manner.  They often leave suicide notes, and mention that they want their kids to go to heaven.  See?  Conclusive proof of my point.  In fact you can search for those news items and maybe even read some of those suicide notes.

You have not got a leg to stand on.  Please be honest and just concede the point.

You should not have to do that.  You should be able to just admit that belief in the afterlife was a contributing factor in murder/suicides without needing to equivocat and try to &#039;save face&#039; for your belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for finally agreeing with my central point.  Now would you care to explain how that does not change everything else you have said here?  I think it tears the foundation out from under your position, but naturally you will wiggle around some more and hope to find a way out.  Sorry, but there isn&#8217;t one.  </p>
<p>You agree that belief in an afterlife is a contributing factor in deaths worldwide, but you evade by stating that it is incredibly different from a mother killing her children.  Explain exactly how it is different.  I don&#8217;t think it is, and  don&#8217;t think you can defend that position logically.  I will need you to explain how and why, because simply stating it doesn&#8217;t convince me in the slightest.</p>
<blockquote><p> But that scenario, in my estimation, is incredibly different from a mother suffering from postpartum depression. In the latter scenario, I personally don’t think that belief in an afterlife can be blamed, and that’s a result of studying psychology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Contributing factor.  Not entirely to blame, contributing factor.  I have a hard time believing you can&#8217;t grasp this concept.  I think you are just trying to wiggle out of the inescapable reasoning.  A mother suffering from postpartum depression who did not belief in an afterlife may still kill her self, and perhaps even her children, but the chances in my opinion go down greatly.  I can sense that you want a way to not agree with this, but you really should take a moment to think it through.  If that mother did not believe in a happier place to send her children, the chances of killing those children decrease.  I simply cannot see how you could argue against that point in an honest manner.  They often leave suicide notes, and mention that they want their kids to go to heaven.  See?  Conclusive proof of my point.  In fact you can search for those news items and maybe even read some of those suicide notes.</p>
<p>You have not got a leg to stand on.  Please be honest and just concede the point.</p>
<p>You should not have to do that.  You should be able to just admit that belief in the afterlife was a contributing factor in murder/suicides without needing to equivocat and try to &#8217;save face&#8217; for your belief system.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51904</link>
		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Christian literature has some of the same kind of messages. Christian Crackpots focus on those just as much as Islamic Crackpots focus on theirs.

Judging all of Islam by the those messages is kinda like judging all of Christianity by the messages Fred Phelps&lt;/i&gt;

I wasn&#039;t talking about all Islam. My comments were very specific.

If a group of people is paradise-bent on killing you (which Islamic militants ARE), it&#039;s legitimate to feel fear in response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Christian literature has some of the same kind of messages. Christian Crackpots focus on those just as much as Islamic Crackpots focus on theirs.</p>
<p>Judging all of Islam by the those messages is kinda like judging all of Christianity by the messages Fred Phelps</i></p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t talking about all Islam. My comments were very specific.</p>
<p>If a group of people is paradise-bent on killing you (which Islamic militants ARE), it&#8217;s legitimate to feel fear in response.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51902</link>
		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, responded in the wrong place. Meant to respond to myself above, because I had left something out accidentally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, responded in the wrong place. Meant to respond to myself above, because I had left something out accidentally.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51901</link>
		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Answering in a yes or no fashion isn’t helpful, in my view, because speaking in such sweeping generalizations without noting the nuances of various situations.&quot; isn&#039;t helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Answering in a yes or no fashion isn’t helpful, in my view, because speaking in such sweeping generalizations without noting the nuances of various situations.&#8221; isn&#8217;t helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51900</link>
		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is the belief in an afterlife is a contributing factor in deaths worldwide, yes or no?&lt;/i&gt;

Answering in a yes or no fashion isn&#039;t helpful, in my view, because speaking in such sweeping generalizations without noting the nuances of various situations.

But, yes, belief in an afterlife does contribute. The easy example is Muslims who believe they will get extra perks in heaven if they die a martyr&#039;s death.

But that scenario, in my estimation, is incredibly different from a mother suffering from postpartum depression. In the latter scenario, I personally don&#039;t think that belief in an afterlife can be blamed, and that&#039;s a result of studying psychology. Put simply, mental illness presents itself in the ideologies that are familiar to the person suffering from the illness. That is, a Christian who&#039;s a schizophrenic will have delusions full of religious ideas and symbols. Does that mean that Christianity &quot;contributed&quot; to his/her illness? No, not at all. It&#039;s simply that the person&#039;s illness expresses itself through what the person is familiar with.

So, even though the short answer is, &quot;yes,&quot; I don&#039;t think that answer really gets at the heart of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is the belief in an afterlife is a contributing factor in deaths worldwide, yes or no?</i></p>
<p>Answering in a yes or no fashion isn&#8217;t helpful, in my view, because speaking in such sweeping generalizations without noting the nuances of various situations.</p>
<p>But, yes, belief in an afterlife does contribute. The easy example is Muslims who believe they will get extra perks in heaven if they die a martyr&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>But that scenario, in my estimation, is incredibly different from a mother suffering from postpartum depression. In the latter scenario, I personally don&#8217;t think that belief in an afterlife can be blamed, and that&#8217;s a result of studying psychology. Put simply, mental illness presents itself in the ideologies that are familiar to the person suffering from the illness. That is, a Christian who&#8217;s a schizophrenic will have delusions full of religious ideas and symbols. Does that mean that Christianity &#8220;contributed&#8221; to his/her illness? No, not at all. It&#8217;s simply that the person&#8217;s illness expresses itself through what the person is familiar with.</p>
<p>So, even though the short answer is, &#8220;yes,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that answer really gets at the heart of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Day</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51877</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(crickets chirping)

Just waiting for you to back up your assertion.</description>
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<p>Just waiting for you to back up your assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not heard of a European put it that way before -- try and listen to Nick Griffin ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not heard of a European put it that way before &#8212; try and listen to Nick Griffin &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rodneyAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51853</link>
		<dc:creator>rodneyAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kill infidels&quot; is the core of Islam, not the fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kill infidels&#8221; is the core of Islam, not the fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: wintermute</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/03/christian-propaganda-about-islam-overlords/#comment-51851</link>
		<dc:creator>wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadly enough for Europ this is hard reality.
Europ has big problems with emmigrating muslims and they do not adapt to our culture they expect us to adapt to theirs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the fictional land of &quot;Europ&quot;, this may well be the case. However, in the real-life &quot;Europe&quot;, nothing could be further than the truth. Only a tiny proportion on Arabic immigrants don&#039;t integrate completely into society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadly enough for Europ this is hard reality.<br />
Europ has big problems with emmigrating muslims and they do not adapt to our culture they expect us to adapt to theirs. </p></blockquote>
<p>In the fictional land of &#8220;Europ&#8221;, this may well be the case. However, in the real-life &#8220;Europe&#8221;, nothing could be further than the truth. Only a tiny proportion on Arabic immigrants don&#8217;t integrate completely into society.</p>
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