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	<title>Comments on: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing: Dr. D. James Kennedy</title>
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		<title>By: M. Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info.  Before I read this post I suspected he was just another nut.  Now I see that he&#039;s one of the few sane people in a room full of lunatics.  You crack me up.  Your hostility to the man is his biggest asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.  Before I read this post I suspected he was just another nut.  Now I see that he&#8217;s one of the few sane people in a room full of lunatics.  You crack me up.  Your hostility to the man is his biggest asset.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In policy debate, the German spelling &quot;kritik&quot; is usually used when referring to that type of argument, possibly to distinguish it as a jargon term (which is unambiguously abbreviated &quot;K,&quot; while &quot;C,&quot; might be confused for &quot;CP&quot;  (counterplan), or &quot;case&quot;), or possibly just because it is shorter. The traditional French spelling &quot;critique&quot; and English &quot;criticism&quot; are also sometimes used.

To clear up some confusion, I am referring to a style of formal interscholastic debate common in American high schools and colleges called &quot;policy debate,&quot; or sometimes &quot;cross-x debate&quot; or &quot;switch-sides debate&quot; (to distinguish it from an older version that involved four-person pairs of teams, two of which always debated on the negative side and the other two, always on the affirmative side). It is organized in national circuit tournaments like the Tournament of Champions and in leagues like the National Forensics League (NFL, &quot;forensics&quot; being a generic term for speech and debate), and the NDT (National Debate Tournament, a college tournament).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In policy debate, the German spelling &#8220;kritik&#8221; is usually used when referring to that type of argument, possibly to distinguish it as a jargon term (which is unambiguously abbreviated &#8220;K,&#8221; while &#8220;C,&#8221; might be confused for &#8220;CP&#8221;  (counterplan), or &#8220;case&#8221;), or possibly just because it is shorter. The traditional French spelling &#8220;critique&#8221; and English &#8220;criticism&#8221; are also sometimes used.</p>
<p>To clear up some confusion, I am referring to a style of formal interscholastic debate common in American high schools and colleges called &#8220;policy debate,&#8221; or sometimes &#8220;cross-x debate&#8221; or &#8220;switch-sides debate&#8221; (to distinguish it from an older version that involved four-person pairs of teams, two of which always debated on the negative side and the other two, always on the affirmative side). It is organized in national circuit tournaments like the Tournament of Champions and in leagues like the National Forensics League (NFL, &#8220;forensics&#8221; being a generic term for speech and debate), and the NDT (National Debate Tournament, a college tournament).</p>
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		<title>By: the_original_xy</title>
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		<dc:creator>the_original_xy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what in the hell are you talking about?</description>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem is that this guy&#039;s followers won&#039;t read Mein Kampf, nor will they actually read the constitution. And most likely not even the old testament (except for the odd verse in church). But they&#039;ll think they know what they say. But they&#039;ll really just know what someone they trust tells them they say. That&#039;s scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem is that this guy&#8217;s followers won&#8217;t read Mein Kampf, nor will they actually read the constitution. And most likely not even the old testament (except for the odd verse in church). But they&#8217;ll think they know what they say. But they&#8217;ll really just know what someone they trust tells them they say. That&#8217;s scary.</p>
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		<title>By: claidheamh mor</title>
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		<dc:creator>claidheamh mor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;blah critique blah blah so there&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hahaha! Scrolling down past it is so much quicker and easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>blah critique blah blah so there</p></blockquote>
<p>Hahaha! Scrolling down past it is so much quicker and easier.</p>
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		<title>By: rodneyAnonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodneyAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah critique blah blah so there</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the debaters out there, if this is a kritik of evolution, I just made a no link, two link-turns (anti-Darwinism, Lamarckism), a no impact (association fallacy), and alt. links to K (Hitler&#039;s Germany was pretty much run by Christian dogma).

For completeness, I&#039;ll make some more obvious ones

1. alt. doesn&#039;t solve--Hitler will find another justification for his atrocities. His racial views were preconceived and evolution was just one way to justify them.

2. Case outweighs--One individual&#039;s ravings don&#039;t compare to the overwhelming evidence for evolution.

3. Impact turn--2,000 years of violence and WW2 prove Christianity leads to way worse shit than Nazism.
Scenario one: Nuclearism / disaster porn (believing in afterlife --&gt; wanting the apocalypse --&gt; self-fulfilling prophecy --&gt; extinction)
Scenario two: Genocide (duh)
Scenario three: Suppression of science/knowledge (impacts of war, disease, famine, AIDS, poverty, energy, global warming, econ, everything else known to man)
Scenario four: Coercion (impacts into Petro and meaning of life)
Scenario five: Nietzsche (for the lulz)

4. Theory
Interpretation: The Theory of Evolution is a statement of fact
Violation: The consequences of belief or nonbelief have no bearing on the truth.
Standards: 
  1. Core issue - Statements of fact get to the core of the issue of Evolution vs. Creationism (AmazingAtheist 09).
  2. Predictability - We can only know what is or was, predicting the future is impossible.
  3. Lit. doesn&#039;t check when you make shit up that isn&#039;t in the literature.
  4. Limits - If they can read arguments about everybody who ever believed in evolution or creation, they explode the topic to billions of possible arguments.
  5. Clash - Every time we answer their last poser, they just ignore it and come up with something else irrelevant. Sticking to fact is key to responsive debate.
  6. Science (see impact scenario three)
Voter for the sake of reason.


In a real debate I would then extend case and laugh at them for seven minutes. They would concede before the neg block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the debaters out there, if this is a kritik of evolution, I just made a no link, two link-turns (anti-Darwinism, Lamarckism), a no impact (association fallacy), and alt. links to K (Hitler&#8217;s Germany was pretty much run by Christian dogma).</p>
<p>For completeness, I&#8217;ll make some more obvious ones</p>
<p>1. alt. doesn&#8217;t solve&#8211;Hitler will find another justification for his atrocities. His racial views were preconceived and evolution was just one way to justify them.</p>
<p>2. Case outweighs&#8211;One individual&#8217;s ravings don&#8217;t compare to the overwhelming evidence for evolution.</p>
<p>3. Impact turn&#8211;2,000 years of violence and WW2 prove Christianity leads to way worse shit than Nazism.<br />
Scenario one: Nuclearism / disaster porn (believing in afterlife &#8211;&gt; wanting the apocalypse &#8211;&gt; self-fulfilling prophecy &#8211;&gt; extinction)<br />
Scenario two: Genocide (duh)<br />
Scenario three: Suppression of science/knowledge (impacts of war, disease, famine, AIDS, poverty, energy, global warming, econ, everything else known to man)<br />
Scenario four: Coercion (impacts into Petro and meaning of life)<br />
Scenario five: Nietzsche (for the lulz)</p>
<p>4. Theory<br />
Interpretation: The Theory of Evolution is a statement of fact<br />
Violation: The consequences of belief or nonbelief have no bearing on the truth.<br />
Standards:<br />
  1. Core issue &#8211; Statements of fact get to the core of the issue of Evolution vs. Creationism (AmazingAtheist 09).<br />
  2. Predictability &#8211; We can only know what is or was, predicting the future is impossible.<br />
  3. Lit. doesn&#8217;t check when you make shit up that isn&#8217;t in the literature.<br />
  4. Limits &#8211; If they can read arguments about everybody who ever believed in evolution or creation, they explode the topic to billions of possible arguments.<br />
  5. Clash &#8211; Every time we answer their last poser, they just ignore it and come up with something else irrelevant. Sticking to fact is key to responsive debate.<br />
  6. Science (see impact scenario three)<br />
Voter for the sake of reason.</p>
<p>In a real debate I would then extend case and laugh at them for seven minutes. They would concede before the neg block.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitler&#039;s views of nature were so different from Darwin&#039;s, it would almost be reasonable to claim that if he DID believe Darwin were correct, he might actually be LESS prone to commit the atrocities he did. He very explicitly believed (and stated in Mein Kampf, http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html), that he believed species had certain, distinct, immutable, defining characteristics, and that in nature, no individual ever strayed from these. He discusses how the goose always mates with the goose, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc. He goes further to say that this is a fundamental law of nature and that it never changes. While this isn&#039;t entirely scientifically rigid, it certainly sounds like he is embracing the CREATIONIST view that &quot;macroevolution&quot; is somehow impossible.

He somehow extrapolates this fact to races, claiming that like different species, different races should never interbreed or work together, that it is impossible, and further that each race has certain, distinct, immutable, defining characteristics. Therefore he is literally justifying his hierarchical and violent racial beliefs at least in part by an understanding of nature exactly the opposite of Darwin&#039;s, and certainly today&#039;s, Theory of Evolution.

There is also some decent material out there about how, though Hitler did embrace some of Darwin&#039;s views, his actual beliefs were more in line with Lamarckian evolution, Darwin&#039;s chief competitor.

Of course, none of that actually matters, because the whole argument is an absurd and textbook example of the association fallacy, and even worse, Hitler was even more a Christian than a Darwinist, but it is amusing that the argument is wrong on literally every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitler&#8217;s views of nature were so different from Darwin&#8217;s, it would almost be reasonable to claim that if he DID believe Darwin were correct, he might actually be LESS prone to commit the atrocities he did. He very explicitly believed (and stated in Mein Kampf, <a href="http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html)</a>, that he believed species had certain, distinct, immutable, defining characteristics, and that in nature, no individual ever strayed from these. He discusses how the goose always mates with the goose, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc. He goes further to say that this is a fundamental law of nature and that it never changes. While this isn&#8217;t entirely scientifically rigid, it certainly sounds like he is embracing the CREATIONIST view that &#8220;macroevolution&#8221; is somehow impossible.</p>
<p>He somehow extrapolates this fact to races, claiming that like different species, different races should never interbreed or work together, that it is impossible, and further that each race has certain, distinct, immutable, defining characteristics. Therefore he is literally justifying his hierarchical and violent racial beliefs at least in part by an understanding of nature exactly the opposite of Darwin&#8217;s, and certainly today&#8217;s, Theory of Evolution.</p>
<p>There is also some decent material out there about how, though Hitler did embrace some of Darwin&#8217;s views, his actual beliefs were more in line with Lamarckian evolution, Darwin&#8217;s chief competitor.</p>
<p>Of course, none of that actually matters, because the whole argument is an absurd and textbook example of the association fallacy, and even worse, Hitler was even more a Christian than a Darwinist, but it is amusing that the argument is wrong on literally every level.</p>
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		<title>By: Mogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, that&#039;s news to me, and I live in Australia.  I have heard that it&#039;s true in Africa, but I can&#039;t find any basis for a belief that Christianity is growing in Australia - Christians here sometimes express the fear that Islam is going to take over the country.  According to the statistics quoted on Wikipedia&#039;s page on religion in Australia, the percentage of the population which identified as Christian on the national census dropped by 4.1% between 2001 and 2006.  I should also point out that a large but unknown percentage of those who identify with particular denominations of Christianity (particularly Catholics, in my experience) are not practising Christians in the usual sense - they may go to a Christmas service and have their wedding in a church, but that&#039;s about it.

A summary of religious identification in Australia between 1996 and 2006, from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, is here: http://tinyurl.com/ms5cpd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, that&#8217;s news to me, and I live in Australia.  I have heard that it&#8217;s true in Africa, but I can&#8217;t find any basis for a belief that Christianity is growing in Australia &#8211; Christians here sometimes express the fear that Islam is going to take over the country.  According to the statistics quoted on Wikipedia&#8217;s page on religion in Australia, the percentage of the population which identified as Christian on the national census dropped by 4.1% between 2001 and 2006.  I should also point out that a large but unknown percentage of those who identify with particular denominations of Christianity (particularly Catholics, in my experience) are not practising Christians in the usual sense &#8211; they may go to a Christmas service and have their wedding in a church, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>A summary of religious identification in Australia between 1996 and 2006, from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, is here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ms5cpd" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ms5cpd</a></p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Europe, Islam is invading it since there is no more push back from Catholics since most Catholics are no real Catholics anymore. 

But something else is growing and these are the conspiracy theorists. They have become cults. People against vaccination, people against global warming, poeple againas Evolution, People against the moon landing. They all have on thing in common like the religions people. They are beeing brainwashed. 

Religion seems to be replaced by something even crazy, the conspiratie theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Europe, Islam is invading it since there is no more push back from Catholics since most Catholics are no real Catholics anymore. </p>
<p>But something else is growing and these are the conspiracy theorists. They have become cults. People against vaccination, people against global warming, poeple againas Evolution, People against the moon landing. They all have on thing in common like the religions people. They are beeing brainwashed. </p>
<p>Religion seems to be replaced by something even crazy, the conspiratie theories.</p>
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		<title>By: Siberia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siberia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the New Age woo, which is sort of kinda maybe religious, y&#039;know. ;p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the New Age woo, which is sort of kinda maybe religious, y&#8217;know. ;p</p>
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		<title>By: LRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops! :)</description>
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		<title>By: trj</title>
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		<dc:creator>trj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarcasm, my dear. I find his smile to be as genuine as the good intentions of a used car salesman and as heart-warming as a chuckling Dick Cheney.</description>
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		<title>By: LRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I find his smile rather creepy!</description>
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		<title>By: Question-I-thority</title>
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		<dc:creator>Question-I-thority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t find the underlying detailed study that this article is based on but it&#039;s out there somewhere and states that Buddhism is in decline, Christianity and Hinduism are in a holding pattern, Islam is growing by birth over death and that the difficult to pin down category of &#039;non-religious&#039; is burgeoning.  Anyway, here is the rather long article:

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paul07/paul07_index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t find the underlying detailed study that this article is based on but it&#8217;s out there somewhere and states that Buddhism is in decline, Christianity and Hinduism are in a holding pattern, Islam is growing by birth over death and that the difficult to pin down category of &#8216;non-religious&#8217; is burgeoning.  Anyway, here is the rather long article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paul07/paul07_index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paul07/paul07_index.html</a></p>
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