Comments on: Now Everything Makes Sense

By: Jabster

Jabster — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:25:57 +0000

@RodneyA

True, very true …

By: rodneyAnonymous

rodneyAnonymous — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:14:45 +0000

No foul. Godwin’s Law only applies to inappropriate analogies.

By: Aor

Aor — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:58:03 +0000

Is that your way of saying you accept moral relativism, or do you just want the conversation to end?

By: JonJon

JonJon — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:13:10 +0000

No thanks, Aor.

I know better now.

By: Aor

Aor — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:32:37 +0000

Just because compassion is not incompatible with punishment does not imply in any way that compassion cannot have bad results.

As I said, “as long as it is always good.” Not always being bad is not the same as always being good.

Try again.

By: Sunny Day

Sunny Day — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:53:58 +0000

JonJon

“Culturally, a rape victim marrying the rapist would have been something helpful in most cases”

I’m glad to see you admit morals are relative. Now, whats with that hogwash you were supporting that said they were hardwired in?

If morals do change, and are supposed to change for the “better” what need is there for a god to change them?

By: khal82

khal82 — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:59:11 +0000

You rock it, Korny…I defend those hard-working scientists every chance I get; the world is too special to let theists decide they know enough about it, sit on their asses, and indoctrinate their children

By: khal82

khal82 — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:56:45 +0000

sorry “heaven” though the whole thing makes me heave

By: khal82

khal82 — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:55:50 +0000

How circular and masochistic is this, Nicole? He sends the “demons” etc. to make the world a terrible experience for you so you’ll look forward to heaving, yet you appreciate him for helping you endure WHAT HE IS PUTTING YOU THROUGH. Whaaaa?

By: Heidi

Heidi — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:01:57 +0000

Just because something is evil in our society does not mean it was evil in all societies.

Yes, yes it does. They (and your god) might not have considered it evil, but it was evil, nonetheless. Your god shouldn’t have society-dependent morals, should he? And yet, not only did he not stop it, but he let it be commanded in his inerrant holy book.

By: Baconsbud

Baconsbud — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:37:27 +0000

I have to side with Heidi here. If your god is so morally superior, why couldn’t he have said something like any victim of rape will be still seen as a virgin since it wasn’t her fault she was attacked? In a way you are condoning the continued belief by some cultures that it is the female that is to be punished for being raped.

By: JonJon

JonJon — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:16:36 +0000

And yes, I compartmentalize. I think that’s an important skill both to understand the arguments of those who disagree with you and for critically examining your own position on a given issue. Unless your criticism is that I’m not a holistic person, in which case… okay I guess?

Sorry to be terse, I’m a little tired today…

By: JonJon

JonJon — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:13:05 +0000

I’m not saying any of the options are great. There really aren’t any great options in this situation. I’m saying that because the choice is between death, being scorned by your family and forced to live with them anyway with no chance at a family of your own, and *marriage* (which doesn’t equate to sex slavery, btw; the rapist is forced to feed, clothe, and shelter his victim for the rest of his natural life, and it gives a chance at a normal life for the victim) that marriage is probably the best option available in that society.

What would your punishment for this guy be? Kill him and give all his stuff to the victim? What would you do for her? Teleport her to another culture?

I’m sorry you think this is evil. I think if this was mandated in our own culture, it would indeed be evil. Just because something is evil in our society does not mean it was evil in all societies.

By: Heidi

Heidi — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:54:33 +0000

JonJon, are you actually defending the practice of forcing her to marry her rapist?? If so, then you’re bloody disgusting. You (and your god?) are saying that since she had a choice between stoning, second class citizenship, or sex slavery, the sex slavery is ok. That’s positively sickening. I’m certainly glad *I* don’t get my morals from this twisted piece of evil literature.

By: JonJon

JonJon — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:42:27 +0000

You’ve defined faith as ‘irrational.’

faith is irrational, therefore faith is irrational…

This is circular.

Rationality does not require evidence. Rationality requires only the mind.

Faith may be belief without evidence, but it is not necessarily irrational.