Comments on: Frank Schaeffer on Rachel Maddow

By: Earborn Virus

Earborn Virus — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:38:42 +0000

[...] been given so far, and I would somewhat agree with that assessment; but when I hear things like 1 in 3 NJ conservatives think he may be the anti-christ, and people drawing comparisons to Hitler, it makes me think that there may be greater powers of [...]

By: Jabster

Jabster — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:25:45 +0000

@Roger

Why converse with someone when the majority of his posts are repeating the same thing, which isn’t even interesting, over-and-over again kicked off by what seems like keywords in posts. This must be a new tactic in witnessing, bored into belief. Of course JC has already admitted that he doesn’t really read posts but people still reply to him.

By: Olaf

Olaf — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:14:27 +0000

Are you realy white?
You might look white but so does Michal Jackson. LOL
Where did your ancestors come from? LOL

By: Fontaine

Fontaine — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:38:16 +0000

Back to the original topic – this Anti-Christ crap. Schaeffer is right about one thing. These people are impervious to reason. That is the nature of delusionalism. Their antannae are only tuned to receive information, true or not, that supports the delusion. I am a counselor and a former fundamentalist. I get anti-Obama emails all the time from some of my old friends. I have, against all my experience and training, tried in vain to reason with them. We will have to go around them or ridicule them into shamed silence.

Delusions are fear based. If you want to get a glimpse into the origins of that fear in fundamentalists, you might take a look at my latest blog page, which has a searing but accurate account of what I learned as a child about God. Unless you can swim above that sewage and get a breath of air, your mind will die, and you will believe any brainwashing that supports the delusions, which help distract you from the fear. It is easier to fear and fight Obama than a two-faced, sadistic God who is omnipotent. Take away the delusion, and those people must face the God of their childhood nightmares. –Fontaine

By: Roger

Roger — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:34:23 +0000

I tend not to take much notice of what JC says …

It’s better that way, I think.

By: Mark D

Mark D — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:18:22 +0000

I am not dwelling on Israel. Just pointing out that the religious right has many enablers including some in the Jewish community. To many fundamentalist Christians, Israel must exist in order for Jesus too return. This belief system is about 150 years old. If this belief system were to end, a large pocket of support for Israel in America would dry up.

By: Jabster

Jabster — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:23:37 +0000

I tend not to take much notice of what JC says …

By: VidLord

VidLord — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:21:40 +0000

lol you guys are fixating on his little anology and missing his whole point. His point was that he values Israel. Israel is important to him. This little plot of land, with its borders created by humans, is meaningful to JC for some reason. God liked to dwell on mountains in this region…maybe that’s why? I’m not sure. Maybe JC can tell us why this little region of dirt is important to him. In any case it’s just a piece of land… no matter what human values you want to project on it.

By: Jabster

Jabster — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:06:35 +0000

“Well, that works. A diamond IS just a rock. Only our human perceptions and weird fascinations (”oooh, shiny”) give it a value above and beyond a chunk of granite.”

Show most people a diamond in its naturally form and they won’t be very impressed, well except when the find out how much it’s worth; have a diamond cut and then people are impressed. Take some rock carve into a statue and again people will be impressed. The real difference is why people prefer diamonds over cubic zirconia or gold over copper.

By: JonJon

JonJon — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:12:17 +0000

I’m with vorjack. its a good analogy.

By: VidLord

VidLord — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:51:52 +0000

A diamond IS just a rock – well said. Ultimately human perception is the root of all value to other humans. That check for a million dollars = just a piece of paper with ink printed on it.

A diamond would mean nothing to a squirrel.

By: John C

John C — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:37:56 +0000

And Christ is Israel’s Rock. They just don’t know it yet since the veil is still over their eyes. But once that veil is removed…what a sparkling Stone indeed.

By: vorjack

vorjack — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:31:04 +0000

Well, that works. A diamond IS just a rock. Only our human perceptions and weird fascinations (“oooh, shiny”) give it a value above and beyond a chunk of granite.

Well, that and an enormously powerful cartel dedicated towards increasing its value for their own gain.

You know, this analogy just keeps looking better.

By: VidLord

VidLord — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:17:03 +0000

Human reason is the greatest gift we have JC. If you believe in a Creator then it is by far the most beautiful gift endowed to us.

By: John C

John C — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:03:03 +0000

I see you’re still wandering in the desert of human reasoning Vid, you’re saying what YOU think my friend, that’s what got us in this mess in the first place. All the best.