Comments on: Creationism In the Jaws of the Lion http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/ Reasonable Thoughts on Religion, Science, Skepticism, and Atheism Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:37:30 -0500 hourly 1 By: alaska thinker http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-78275 alaska thinker Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:23:11 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-78275 Creationism Vs Evoltion is a debate no one can win, I used to argue that there is a way to reconcile the two but the starting point from each train of though is too distant from each other. Creationist argue that the bible is subject to interpritation but then pick and choose which parts to take literally, that is the part i don't understand. Evolutionist argue the literal facts that prove creationism is inaccurate( which it is). Why can't we just accept that the bible is a nice book that helps a lot of people live in way that makes them feel good about themselves and not take it literally. It has some good fables in it like the one about Jesus, but unless your are totally unfamilliar with how reallity works you know it isn't literally true, but it does teach some good things like how you should treat people( everyone not just the other Critians you know). I just wish Christians wouldn't try to use it to make everyone do what they want, which has historically been the case. Creation couldn't have happened the way it is described in the bible plain and simple even Christians realise that any explaination is simple trying to rationalise. Creationism Vs Evoltion is a debate no one can win, I used to argue that there is a way to reconcile the two but the starting point from each train of though is too distant from each other. Creationist argue that the bible is subject to interpritation but then pick and choose which parts to take literally, that is the part i don’t understand. Evolutionist argue the literal facts that prove creationism is inaccurate( which it is). Why can’t we just accept that the bible is a nice book that helps a lot of people live in way that makes them feel good about themselves and not take it literally. It has some good fables in it like the one about Jesus, but unless your are totally unfamilliar with how reallity works you know it isn’t literally true, but it does teach some good things like how you should treat people( everyone not just the other Critians you know). I just wish Christians wouldn’t try to use it to make everyone do what they want, which has historically been the case. Creation couldn’t have happened the way it is described in the bible plain and simple even Christians realise that any explaination is simple trying to rationalise.

]]> By: BrainUser http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-70155 BrainUser Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:05:40 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-70155 As the article nicely points out, creationists make the ridiculous claim that, before the "fall," everything ate plants. But plants are life, why do they have to die? Where is the dividing line between plants and animals? What did whales eat before the fall? Surely it wasn't their current diet of Phytoplankton and Zooplankton of which some are considered plant and some are considered animal. Or maybe they somehow filtered out the single celled phytoplankton but digested the single celled zooplankton? We can arbitrarily draw lines of what is plant and what is animal but ultimately the exercise becomes ridiculous. We used to believe that evil spirits caused disease. We know better now. We used to believe that Earth anchored the universe. We know better now. Humanity will be held back until it collectively moves on and realize how religion poisons our understanding of the world around us. As the article nicely points out, creationists make the ridiculous claim that, before the “fall,” everything ate plants. But plants are life, why do they have to die? Where is the dividing line between plants and animals?

What did whales eat before the fall? Surely it wasn’t their current diet of Phytoplankton and Zooplankton of which some are considered plant and some are considered animal. Or maybe they somehow filtered out the single celled phytoplankton but digested the single celled zooplankton? We can arbitrarily draw lines of what is plant and what is animal but ultimately the exercise becomes ridiculous.

We used to believe that evil spirits caused disease. We know better now. We used to believe that Earth anchored the universe. We know better now. Humanity will be held back until it collectively moves on and realize how religion poisons our understanding of the world around us.

]]> By: Sunny Day http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-70151 Sunny Day Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:15:12 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-70151 different vidlord, if the email address changes it generates a new icon. See different vidlord, if the email address changes it generates a new icon.

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]]> By: Custador http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-70146 Custador Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:32:17 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-70146 Um.... Is somebody posing as VidLord, because that really doesn't read like one of his posts... Um…. Is somebody posing as VidLord, because that really doesn’t read like one of his posts…

]]> By: BrainUser http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-70145 BrainUser Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:22:53 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-70145 Vidlord, That's rich! "Touch the face of God with little effort." And I can touch Allah and Buddha and Zeus, etc. You're absolutely right--all it takes is a vivid imagination and subduing the logic and reason that works so well at actually accomplishing anything. Thankfully, I find reality rocks and don't need to rely fairy tales. Vidlord,

That’s rich! “Touch the face of God with little effort.”

And I can touch Allah and Buddha and Zeus, etc.

You’re absolutely right–all it takes is a vivid imagination and subduing the logic and reason that works so well at actually accomplishing anything.

Thankfully, I find reality rocks and don’t need to rely fairy tales.

]]> By: Dave http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64367 Dave Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:58:57 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64367 " I am getting married this weekend and too much to worry about. I truly enjoyed this debate and hearing the other sides of things." Yeah - you're kind always runs off. Getting married to Just Curios, perhaps? ;-) "Try not to get to riled up against one another. :o)" Projecting, are we? ” I am getting married this weekend and too much to worry about. I truly enjoyed this debate and hearing the other sides of things.”

Yeah – you’re kind always runs off. Getting married to Just Curios, perhaps? ;-)

“Try not to get to riled up against one another. :o)”

Projecting, are we?

]]> By: Janet Greene http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64357 Janet Greene Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:40 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64357 Curious - congrats on your wedding! I can see why you don't want to answer such a fundamental question right now, but I think there are some of us on this blog who really would like to hear an answer from your perspective. As a former christian, now I don't remember why I believed any of it, other than the possibility that I was brainwashed from childhood. So if a thinking adult believes it, I can't relate and I would like to know. Have a great wedding - cheers! Curious – congrats on your wedding! I can see why you don’t want to answer such a fundamental question right now, but I think there are some of us on this blog who really would like to hear an answer from your perspective. As a former christian, now I don’t remember why I believed any of it, other than the possibility that I was brainwashed from childhood. So if a thinking adult believes it, I can’t relate and I would like to know. Have a great wedding – cheers!

]]> By: Just Curious... http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64355 Just Curious... Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:50:12 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64355 No cats, or pastors. I just have other things to do than sit on a message board and wait for posts to pop up. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I am getting married this weekend and too much to worry about. I truly enjoyed this debate and hearing the other sides of things. Try not to get to riled up against one another. :o) No cats, or pastors. I just have other things to do than sit on a message board and wait for posts to pop up.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. I am getting married this weekend and too much to worry about. I truly enjoyed this debate and hearing the other sides of things.

Try not to get to riled up against one another. :o)

]]> By: Janet Greene http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64352 Janet Greene Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:10:41 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64352 Curious is probably thinking about WHY this story justifies belief. I would take reeeeeaaaaalllllly long on that point too. (why is it that I believe this again? I'll call pastor smith, he'll tell me.) Curious is probably thinking about WHY this story justifies belief. I would take reeeeeaaaaalllllly long on that point too. (why is it that I believe this again? I’ll call pastor smith, he’ll tell me.)

]]> By: Dave http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64350 Dave Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:58:47 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64350 "Stop making prejudiced remarks and false generalizations about atheists. We know what you’re about – you call it spirit, we call it nonsense." The problem is that John C is a persistent troll. He gets off on our responses to his nonsense. Note that he's too cowardly to reveal himself except with his user name. “Stop making prejudiced remarks and false generalizations about atheists. We know what you’re about – you call it spirit, we call it nonsense.”

The problem is that John C is a persistent troll. He gets off on our responses to his nonsense. Note that he’s too cowardly to reveal himself except with his user name.

]]> By: Dave http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64347 Dave Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:53:41 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64347 Cat got your tongue, Just Curios? What makes you think the story of Jesus is correct, if you are willing to doubt everything else in the bible? Cat got your tongue, Just Curios?

What makes you think the story of Jesus is correct, if you are willing to doubt everything else in the bible?

]]> By: Daniel Florien http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64340 Daniel Florien Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:40:03 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64340 I think it's also typical stereotyping. I'm guessing to many people "Sunny Day" sounds more feminine than masculine, thus an honest mistake. I often subconsciously assume genders based on usernames, and I'm usually right, but since it is based on stereotyping, it's not 100%. I think it’s also typical stereotyping. I’m guessing to many people “Sunny Day” sounds more feminine than masculine, thus an honest mistake. I often subconsciously assume genders based on usernames, and I’m usually right, but since it is based on stereotyping, it’s not 100%.

]]> By: Janet Greene http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64338 Janet Greene Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:26:40 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64338 Ya gotta love a guy who's passionate about women's issues. Ya gotta love a guy who’s passionate about women’s issues.

]]> By: Sunny Day http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64330 Sunny Day Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:13:26 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64330 HA, I got labeled a woman when I spoke passionately about women's issues. I was irritated until I realized it was just their christian misogyny at work. HA, I got labeled a woman when I spoke passionately about women’s issues. I was irritated until I realized it was just their christian misogyny at work.

]]> By: Janet Greene http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/09/24/creationism-in-the-jaws-of-the-lion/#comment-64322 Janet Greene Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:28:59 +0000 http://unreasonablefaith.com/?p=6736#comment-64322 Which is why I happily post using my female psuedonym :) Which is why I happily post using my female psuedonym :)

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