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		<title>By: Aeiluindae</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68434</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeiluindae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming for a minute that there can possibly be atheist clergy, this doesn&#039;t exactly happen very often among the Christian clergy, either. That it happens at all and doesn&#039;t get stamped out by the higher-ups is disgusting, but I don&#039;t think the many can be saddled with the guilt of the few. Christians are people with faults. They shouldn&#039;t make claims to perfection, and shouldn&#039;t fall prey to the problems endemic to the culture. The divorce rate is more a function of the current culture and people&#039;s socioeconomic status than their religion. Most of the real Christians that I know willingly admit that they and other Christians screw up and don&#039;t claim moral superiority. However, they do strive for a higher goal, ethically and spiritually, and that is something to admire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming for a minute that there can possibly be atheist clergy, this doesn&#8217;t exactly happen very often among the Christian clergy, either. That it happens at all and doesn&#8217;t get stamped out by the higher-ups is disgusting, but I don&#8217;t think the many can be saddled with the guilt of the few. Christians are people with faults. They shouldn&#8217;t make claims to perfection, and shouldn&#8217;t fall prey to the problems endemic to the culture. The divorce rate is more a function of the current culture and people&#8217;s socioeconomic status than their religion. Most of the real Christians that I know willingly admit that they and other Christians screw up and don&#8217;t claim moral superiority. However, they do strive for a higher goal, ethically and spiritually, and that is something to admire.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two quick notes: I suspect that the differences are not so much linked with atheism or theism as with what social, cultural contexts support someone being an atheist (education, etc). Secondly I thinke to read from books older than 2000 years old (Aristotle comes to mind)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quick notes: I suspect that the differences are not so much linked with atheism or theism as with what social, cultural contexts support someone being an atheist (education, etc). Secondly I thinke to read from books older than 2000 years old (Aristotle comes to mind)</p>
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		<title>By: shroōdur</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68049</link>
		<dc:creator>shroōdur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touché.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touché.</p>
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		<title>By: Elemenope</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68047</link>
		<dc:creator>Elemenope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. But if you&#039;re at the point that you&#039;re going to ridicule them mercilessly anyway, are you really caring about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. But if you&#8217;re at the point that you&#8217;re going to ridicule them mercilessly anyway, are you really caring about that?</p>
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		<title>By: shroōdur</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68046</link>
		<dc:creator>shroōdur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but it can be viewed as somewhat more condescending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but it can be viewed as somewhat more condescending.</p>
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		<title>By: Elemenope</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68045</link>
		<dc:creator>Elemenope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity causes fewer ulcers than wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity causes fewer ulcers than wrath.</p>
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		<title>By: shroōdur</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68044</link>
		<dc:creator>shroōdur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re dealing with a segment of the population who have truly been &lt;i&gt;Left Behind&lt;/i&gt;. How else would you describe students studying and teachers reading from a two-thousand-year-old textbook?

My desire to ridicule is slowly shifting to a sense of pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re dealing with a segment of the population who have truly been <i>Left Behind</i>. How else would you describe students studying and teachers reading from a two-thousand-year-old textbook?</p>
<p>My desire to ridicule is slowly shifting to a sense of pity.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68035</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Almost never do atheist clergy use their status as God’s representative on earth to facilitate their sexual predation of their congregations.&quot;

Yeah.  Don&#039;t think I&#039;ll hold my breath for that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Almost never do atheist clergy use their status as God’s representative on earth to facilitate their sexual predation of their congregations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah.  Don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll hold my breath for that one.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68034</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is gonna be a group hug, I think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is gonna be a group hug, I think!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerdog</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe atheists tend to be more highly educated &amp; wait longer to get married.  A shotgun wedding at 18 just isn&#039;t likely to last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe atheists tend to be more highly educated &amp; wait longer to get married.  A shotgun wedding at 18 just isn&#8217;t likely to last.</p>
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		<title>By: If I Believed</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68019</link>
		<dc:creator>If I Believed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and another  [[[[[[hug]]]]]]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and another  [[[[[[hug]]]]]]</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68014</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably by a lot of measures, there is no discernable difference between Christians and non-Christians, including atheists. Certain categories will stand out though. Almost never do atheist clergy use their status as God&#039;s representative on earth to facilitate their sexual predation of their congregations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably by a lot of measures, there is no discernable difference between Christians and non-Christians, including atheists. Certain categories will stand out though. Almost never do atheist clergy use their status as God&#8217;s representative on earth to facilitate their sexual predation of their congregations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Atheism &amp; Divorce: Divorce Rates for Atheists are Among the Lowest in America
Why Do Conservative Christian Defenders of Marriage Get Divorced More Often?&lt;/i&gt;

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm

&lt;i&gt;Conservative Christians of all types, evangelical as well as Catholic, tend to link their conservative brand of their religion with proper moral behavior. By far the most popular context is marriage: they claim that a good, solid marriage is only possible when people acknowledge conservative Christianity&#039;s claims about the nature of marriage and gender roles. So why is it that Christian marriages, and especially conservative Christian marriages, end in divorce more often than atheist marriages? 

The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians — exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting. 

11% of all American adults are divorced
25% of all American adults have had at least one divorce


27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce
24% of all non-born-again Christians have been divorced


21% of atheists have been divorced
21% of Catholics and Lutherans have been divorced
24% of Mormons have been divorced
25% of mainstream Protestants have been divorced
29% of Baptists have been divorced
24% of nondenominational, independent Protestants have been divorced


27% of people in the South and Midwest have been divorced
26% of people in the West have been divorced
19% of people in the Northwest and Northeast have been divorced

The highest divorce rates are in the Bible Belt: &quot;Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average&quot; of 4.2/1000 people. Nine states in the Northeast (Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Maryland) have the lowest divorce rates, averaging just 3.5/1000 people. 

Barna isn&#039;t the only group to arrive at these numbers. Other researchers have also found that conservative Protestants get divorced more often than other groups, even more often than &quot;mainline&quot; Protestants. The fact that atheists and agnostics divorce less often than other religious groups was, however, surprising to many. Some have simply refused to believe it. 

Credit should be given to George Barna, himself a conservative evangelical Christian, for at least trying to face up to these results and what they might mean: &quot;We would love to be able to report that Christians are living very distinct lives and impacting the community, but...in the area of divorce rates they continue to be the same.&quot; According to Barna, his data raises &quot;questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families&quot; and challenge &quot;the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage.&quot; 

Born again adults who have been married are just as likely as non-born-again adults who have been married to eventually become divorced. Because the vast majority of born again marriages occurred after the partners had accepted Christ as their savior, it appears that their connection to Christ makes less difference in the durability of people’s marriages than many people might expect. Faith has had a limited affect on people’s behavior, whether related to moral convictions and practices, relational activities, lifestyle choices or economic practices. 
Barna should, however, acknowledge that the divorce rates for conservative Christians are higher than for liberal Christians. He also doesn&#039;t take the further step of acknowledging that perhaps conservative Christianity and conservative religion in general are unable to provide a sound basis for marriage — that perhaps there are other, more secular foundations for marriage that conservative Christians are missing. What might they be? Well, an obvious possibility is treating women like fully autonomous equals in the relationship, something which conservative Christianity frequently denies. 

The difference in divorce rates is particularly interesting given the fact that the Christians getting divorced in the highest numbers are among the same Christians who are most likely to raise an alarm about the state of marriage in society. They also tend to be the same Christians who want to deny gays the right to marry on the assumption that gay marriage is a &quot;threat&quot; to the institution of marriage. If marriage is in any danger in America, perhaps the threat comes from the unstable marriages of conservative Christians, not the relationships of gays or the marriages of godless atheists. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Atheism &amp; Divorce: Divorce Rates for Atheists are Among the Lowest in America<br />
Why Do Conservative Christian Defenders of Marriage Get Divorced More Often?</i></p>
<p><a href="http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm" rel="nofollow">http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm</a></p>
<p><i>Conservative Christians of all types, evangelical as well as Catholic, tend to link their conservative brand of their religion with proper moral behavior. By far the most popular context is marriage: they claim that a good, solid marriage is only possible when people acknowledge conservative Christianity&#8217;s claims about the nature of marriage and gender roles. So why is it that Christian marriages, and especially conservative Christian marriages, end in divorce more often than atheist marriages? </p>
<p>The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians — exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting. </p>
<p>11% of all American adults are divorced<br />
25% of all American adults have had at least one divorce</p>
<p>27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce<br />
24% of all non-born-again Christians have been divorced</p>
<p>21% of atheists have been divorced<br />
21% of Catholics and Lutherans have been divorced<br />
24% of Mormons have been divorced<br />
25% of mainstream Protestants have been divorced<br />
29% of Baptists have been divorced<br />
24% of nondenominational, independent Protestants have been divorced</p>
<p>27% of people in the South and Midwest have been divorced<br />
26% of people in the West have been divorced<br />
19% of people in the Northwest and Northeast have been divorced</p>
<p>The highest divorce rates are in the Bible Belt: &#8220;Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce&#8230;the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average&#8221; of 4.2/1000 people. Nine states in the Northeast (Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Maryland) have the lowest divorce rates, averaging just 3.5/1000 people. </p>
<p>Barna isn&#8217;t the only group to arrive at these numbers. Other researchers have also found that conservative Protestants get divorced more often than other groups, even more often than &#8220;mainline&#8221; Protestants. The fact that atheists and agnostics divorce less often than other religious groups was, however, surprising to many. Some have simply refused to believe it. </p>
<p>Credit should be given to George Barna, himself a conservative evangelical Christian, for at least trying to face up to these results and what they might mean: &#8220;We would love to be able to report that Christians are living very distinct lives and impacting the community, but&#8230;in the area of divorce rates they continue to be the same.&#8221; According to Barna, his data raises &#8220;questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families&#8221; and challenge &#8220;the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage.&#8221; </p>
<p>Born again adults who have been married are just as likely as non-born-again adults who have been married to eventually become divorced. Because the vast majority of born again marriages occurred after the partners had accepted Christ as their savior, it appears that their connection to Christ makes less difference in the durability of people’s marriages than many people might expect. Faith has had a limited affect on people’s behavior, whether related to moral convictions and practices, relational activities, lifestyle choices or economic practices.<br />
Barna should, however, acknowledge that the divorce rates for conservative Christians are higher than for liberal Christians. He also doesn&#8217;t take the further step of acknowledging that perhaps conservative Christianity and conservative religion in general are unable to provide a sound basis for marriage — that perhaps there are other, more secular foundations for marriage that conservative Christians are missing. What might they be? Well, an obvious possibility is treating women like fully autonomous equals in the relationship, something which conservative Christianity frequently denies. </p>
<p>The difference in divorce rates is particularly interesting given the fact that the Christians getting divorced in the highest numbers are among the same Christians who are most likely to raise an alarm about the state of marriage in society. They also tend to be the same Christians who want to deny gays the right to marry on the assumption that gay marriage is a &#8220;threat&#8221; to the institution of marriage. If marriage is in any danger in America, perhaps the threat comes from the unstable marriages of conservative Christians, not the relationships of gays or the marriages of godless atheists. </i></p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes!  *sigh*  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes!  *sigh*  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Atticus</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/10/24/christians-arent-morally-superior/#comment-68011</link>
		<dc:creator>Atticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve earned one internet hug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve earned one internet hug</p>
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