Now if they could only heal amputees…
“Right leg, grow in Jesus name”… What a crock. Notice they never provide real medical evidence of any of this — no before/after x-rays. And they never do things like this on anyone who has very uneven legs or are cripples. Because you can’t stretch and shift the body to compensate for what didn’t happen.
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I recognize that place. It’s Virginia Beach, VA home of Pat Robertson University (aka Regent University). The whole are is rife with fundies. I also have to wonder how stoned those guys were that they were talking to. Parlor tricks and suggestive power work well on those that are impaired.
Do you think god would grow me a bigger penis? Always wanted one of those.
The first 5 seconds were the best part.
Indeed! But not the most amusing.
Oh the power of suggestion!
Leg lengthening is one of the oldest tricks in the book!
These people are so deluded I sometimes thing they actually believe this nonsense.
But, as you say, lets see jesus restore a lost limb… Why don’t amputees ever get healed?
If there were x-rays or other types of medical evidence, would that change your mind about (the possibility of) miracles?
Disclaimer: I don’t know the answer to this question (from previous post)
Christian apologists offer different explanations to try to make sense of why bad things happen to good people.
Yes, because x-rays would provide evidence. Provided the x-rays were real and not created in photoshop.
Yes, it would. If someone could demonstrably regrow a limb simply by touching it — not using any natural methods — and that it could not be duplicated through natural means, then it’s a miracle. Which would be totally cool and I have a list of problems I’d like them to fix for me. :)
Yes, it would. But since the Bible says that authentic miracles are associated with both Jesus’ work and Satans, we’d still not know what to think of the street healers.
It would certainly change my mind about miracles! If scientists could prove that a method like this could cure maladies better than a placebo (in this case, a similar treatment with something missing, like the wrong magic words or something to that effect), it would be an unbelievable but undeniable breakthrough.
However, this would not mean that God existed. I grant it would give some evidence, though.
The essential conflict is that science says regrowing limbs is (currently) impossible, and the Bible says it’s not (currently) impossible. You believe the Bible over science on this one, but (presumably) not on everything… where do you draw the line? How do you decide which to believe in a given situation?
However, this would not mean that God existed. I grant it would give some evidence, though.
Yes, I agree with you.
I’ll tell you this story, for some context.
When I was in college, there was a young woman in my parent’s church (16-17 iirc) who was born with flat feet. She had begun to get involvd with athletics, but her Dr. told her that she would need surgery and/or very expensive orthotics to continue. Her family couldn’t afford it, so she had to quit. (There were X-rays of her flat feet, btw). She was prayed for one Sunday. She went back to her Dr. The bones in her feet had literally shifted and been restructured. Her flat feet were no longer flat.
The church called the news; they sent copies of the x-rays before and after; the Dr. was interviewed. The story never aired and was never printed. The Dr. told the young woman, “If this wasn’t a miracle, I don’t know what is.” He wasn’t a religous man, AFAIK.
Now, does any of this prove that there is a God? No. Is there any proof that God even did this? Well, not proof. It’s circumstantial evidence. She was prayed for in Jesus’ name, and bone structure changed. The story doesn’t prove that there is a God, much less that the Christian God healed her.
Nor does it in any way answer why healings don’t happen on demand — especially to those who are suffering painful, life-threatening injuries/illnesses.
But as Michael commented above, it is some evidence …
Is this evidence still available? If there’s anything to it — and even if there’s not — I bet FOX News would eat it up. They’re audience would love this story.
My guess is the evidence didn’t hold up, otherwise why wouldn’t they run with this story? Americans love this stuff.
I have no idea what happened to the story, other than it never got any time.
And while I certainly understand (and expected) your skepticism, it’s a credible story. I don’t blame you for no believing it — I didn’t (and can’t) produce the x-rays, so you just gotta take a believer’s word for it … or not. I really can’t do anything more than tell my story, unfortunately.
But again, if this story were true, what would you think? Would you think it’s something that science could eventually explain? Would you think of it as a supernatural or natural event?
I don’t intend them to be leading questions … I’m just trying to figure out how you would interpret an event like that (if you were convinced it really did happen).
I’d really have to know the story from the source and see the evidence and the timeline and who was involved. So many “miracles” are presented EXACTLY like you are doing it, even though I know you’re not intending that. It’s always a story of what happened, and there’s evidence for it, it’s just not available — heck, that’s how virtually all religions are started!
If it could be shown there was something that could not be healed on it’s own, and there was an x-ray before the prayer, and an x-ray after, and nothing else happened in-between to show that the prayer is what healed it, then I’d be open to believing it.
Now I’d want to repeat it — one time something strange could happen or maybe we’re not accounting for something or maybe we got tricked. But if it’s shown to be something that can happen in a controlled condition (to make sure we’re not being duped, which has been the case time & time again when it comes to people peddling miracles), then I’d believe and then I’d get in line to be next!
I really, really, want miracles to be true. Who doesn’t? But if that stuff happened, then it seems there’d be some evidence, and no one has ever shown any. It’s ALWAYS stories.
And in the Bible, it’s none of this sissy miracles. It’s stuff that you don’t need slight x-rays for or measuring legs because it’s so close. It’s water-into-fucking-wine. The blind can see. The dead are raised! THOSE are miracles. But of course, they only happen in fairy tales. We don’t expect such things to happen in real life, because no one has ever experienced them.
They’re always just stories, and until there’s real evidence, I have no reason to believe — even though I want to.
That seems reasonable, doesn’t it?
As I said, I understand your skepticism, and I’m very aware of how I must sound. And I’m not trying to convince you that this did happen. I was just curious.
This is a non-story. I had flat feet as a kid and played a lot of sport. My mum took me to an orthotics guy and it did nothing. What worked was that I taught myself to walk better and to be conscious of my own foot mechanics. No miracles, no prayer.
This is a bit like saying that fibromyalgia was cured through prayer. Brgulker needs an amputee or he may as well convert over to our side.
“I have no idea what happened to the story, other than it never got any time. ”
Oh come on, there was hard evidence of a miracle and the story just went away. Not exactly convincing is it?
“But again, if this story were true, what would you think? Would you think it’s something that science could eventually explain? Would you think of it as a supernatural or natural event?”
… but the story isn’t true so why speculate?
… but the story isn’t true so why speculate?
Yes, I’m a liar. Add it to the list of things about me that irritate you.
A liar, well technical no … it’s called believing what you want to believe — your saw the x-rays did you and spoke to the Doctor?
I mean really, are you seriously suggesting that a miracle happened and the evidence for this miracle can’t be found as it’s been lost or mis-placed. Do you also know people that have bee abducted by aliens?
I think everybody, on all sides, throws the word “lair” around too much. There’s a big difference between being a liar and simply being mistaken. Naturally, those on our side of the fence think you’re mistaken.
Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me … have you got some real evidence?
Disclaimer: I don’t think you’re lying. I’d be willing to believe it… if I had hard evidence.
I don’t simply because I’ve heard so many of those stories, every time. Perhaps because I am an atheist, perhaps because I am physically handicapped (in a wheelchair, even), people are always trying to heal me through faith. It’s never worked, but then, I am a faithless heathen…
I did, however, get my hip healed all by itself – one day it hurt like hell; I live six months of torture, so much I couldn’t sit, or move at all (throw in the fact I can’t walk, and life gets difficult indeed); I get scheduled for hip replacement surgery; go to hospital and everything; surgery falls through, doesn’t happen; one day, pain is gone – sans prayer. I no longer need a hip replacement. I don’t really know what happened, but somehow my body fixed itself. Methinks it just eroded the nerves so I can’t feel it anymore, but truth is, it’s as good as before – without a single evocation from my part.
I’m forcibly reminded of Cris Angel.
…Fat not-sexy Cris Angel.
Oh, and Cris Angel doesn’t actually believe in magic.
A friend of mine who I have regular arguments about Christianity and religion with says her mother in law had some medical procedure (I can’t remember the details) that actually removed part of the bones in her wrist shortening it, my friend saw her prayed for and saw it lengthened, no they don’t have the x-rays for some reason. I keep asking why God never heals visible or obvious ailments like children born with cleft palates or children born with downs syndrome. It’s always a short limb or some hidden thing that may or may not go away on it’s own.
I’d like to see miraculous healings as much as the next guy, but what I hate, hate, hate to see is people having false hope. A friend of mine who has since passed on had one of the worst strokes in medical history, at the time, while in the Navy, he became a mute quadriplegic, this all occurred long before I knew him, but we prayed and prayed that he be healed. His daughter even wanted to take him to Benny Hinn when he came near us. Of course, he was a mute quadriplegic until the day he died, because no one seems to have any record of God healing anything that extreme, shockingly.
Jesus, can you help me grow some weed?
“You guys wanna see some magic?”
NO WAY TRAVIS BLAINE. STAY AWAY FROM ME YOU DEMON!
I was wondering if anyone would get it. Its hard to get the creepy camera stare to translate to written text…
If the producer(s) want their “reality show” to actually look real, then they should show some misses along with the “hits”. In other words, show the times where “Jesus” says “no”, just as we are told by Christians that “His answer” is sometimes “no”.
How sad that people actually believe this.
mikespeir: “Leg lengthening is one of the oldest tricks in the book!”
Agreed.
It is yet more evidence that they are aggressively and intentionally lying, don’t care that they are, and consider their audience to be credulous suckers deserving of such treatment.
This crap has been going on since Lourdes became a “holy” site. It was crap back then, and it’s still crap now.
Wow, I did need a good laugh today. At least I got that.
This tonic smells like piss……
This is piss, piss with ink
I couldn’t watch it all the way through. Does something funny happen after the usual revival stuff?
We’ve lost (and he’s much better lost) dwade from Night of the Living Fundies, saying he witnessed God healing an amputee, but, of course, didn’t have his camera.
Well, of course! Haaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!