By A family member just sent this to me with a note about how important the message is for our “Christian Nation.”
Gag.
Update: Here’s a hilarious explanation of each person in the painting. Rollover the faces for many lulz. [via Roger]
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Did this guy seem to gloss over the fact that the god the founding fathers were referring to was very different from his Christian ( im assuming evangelical ) slant? Either he is completely dishonest or ignorant about the history of our founding fathers, I’m going to side on the ignorant aspect.
Well, he did say he did research. Must be that other thing…completely dishonest.
I guess in his space-time continuum, “research” means, “Reading some crap about the Founding Fathers from Intervarsity Press and listening to Rush Limbaugh.”
Well, he got his education from BYU… so there you go.
That video was made by a Mormon, not an evangelical. ;)
Mormons believe the US Constitution and Declaration on Independence were inspired by god, just like the bible and the book of Mormon.
And never mind that “Jesus” would look pretty much like a young Palestinian even if the rest of the mauldlin presectation had an iota of fact behind it.
Please. Everyone knows Jesus looked like a hippie Aaron Eckhart and wore Prada.
“No one can dispute what our founding fathers thought about God.”
Oh oh, I can.
Another artist blindsided by truthiness.
“No one can dispute what our founding fathers thought about God.”
They didn’t want God in Government.
The quality of the work is very nice. What a waste of talent. I just get so irritated when people spread their own ignorant beliefs around as ‘fact’ and ‘truth’. Also, I wish we were able to know how of the individuals displayed in the painting acutally weren’t even Christian. I know I would be pissed if some person used my legacy as a xian propaganda tool after I died.
I too believe in life after death.
And I believe in death after life.
The founding fathers were adamant about the fact that the church must be separate from the state. How is that even disputable?
Some of the founding fathers were extremely anti-Christianity, and to my knowledge all of them wanted to keep religion out of government.
And Jesus, if he even existed, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CAUCASIAN!!!!!
What a frikkin’ moron.
Christian propaganda at its finest and scariest….
Pretty sure this is mormon propaganda. the worst Kind of Christianity.
And I’m pretty sure that the only people who call Mormons ‘Christians” are OTHER MORMONS … seriously: ask any Xian you have handy and watch the spittle fly : )
Urk.
This is the ‘pretty’ opposite side of the coin of the rabid tea-bagger* hatred of Limbaugh, Hanity, et. all.
*I still feel like snickering every time I hear or use that word.
Oh, you Americans, and your silly fixation on your Founding Fathers.
It’s one thing that the Founding Fathers are routinely taken hostage by fundies in an attempt to justify intermixing Christianity and governance, in direct opposition to the Constitution (First Amendment) which the FFs put into law. It’s another thing that these people are treated as if their ideas are inviolate, set in stone, never to be questioned throughout the centuries.
Why not try to create a society for the current and future generations, rather than venerating past generations? The FFs laid a nice foundation (at least in the written word; the historical treatment of native Indians and slaves shows a profound unwillingess to fully implement those precious ideals of equality). However, defending this basis with religious fervor is silly and counter-productive – especially seeing how people clinging to these traditions persist in revising the motives of the FFs.
>>It’s one thing that the Founding Fathers are routinely taken hostage by fundies in an attempt to justify intermixing Christianity and governance, in direct opposition to the Constitution (First Amendment) which the FFs put into law. It’s another thing that these people are treated as if their ideas are inviolate, set in stone, never to be questioned throughout the centuries.<<
Good point. But it seems to stem from the authoritarian mindset. Whether it is Authority from the Bible or Authority from the Founding Fathers. Fundies really seem to like their black and white authority structures.
Lol.dont you mean “white and white” authority structures
Aaaaand here’s the Cthulu version of that painting. I think PZ Meyers first wrote about it a few months back. Yeesh… I’d forgotten how much I love Lovecraft.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KCcb6Da-GUM/Ss_UanghyDI/AAAAAAAABkM/IfnzKbgLpis/s1600-h/Chthulu.jpg
I like that one better.
Here’s a link to a parody of the painting–I think you should send this to your family member (and watch their head asplode!)
http://www.shortpacked.com/McNaughton%20Fine%20Art.htm
http://mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353
For those without audio. Read the mind-rapingly dumb shit on hover.
My dog threw up earlier and now I’m going to follow suit. If he did any research at all, he would no that our founding fathers weren’t as Christian as he would like them to be.
The worst part is that he is a racist – how else can you explain painting Jesus as a WHITE guy when (if he did actually live) was obviously not white. In fact, historically I bet Jesus resembled a young Osama Bin Laden more that he did this Caucasian that’s in this painting.
Oh, and it gets better; the black soldier who has the name “King” on his uniform is supposed to be some sort of homage to Martin Luther King, Jr. You know, as opposed to actually painting him and putting him in the picture. Oh, and the other black folk of note? Waaaaaaaaaay in the back.
Would have been amusing watching him try to reconcile the (black slave owning) founding fathers to the (black) civil rights campaigner, yes. Though MLK was a pretty morally bankrupt man himself, so perhaps we shouldn’t protest too loudly on his posthumous behalf.
Yeah. Much more morally bankrupt than Lincoln or Jefferson.
Didn’t King go around raping babies and bathing in the blood of slain puppies?
Why wouldn’t Jesus look white? His father is god, and everyone knows god is white.
I do understand that a realistic Jesus would look more like people do in that region, but this argument is played. People who believe he’s white believe that he’s not brown because god could not be brown! If you are following the story and painting a picture of it, you will logically make a white Jesus because he’s “genetically” more white by half than everyone else in that area of the world. I don’t wonder why he’s depicted white. Yes, I do agree that it’s racist about the skin color of god, but it also makes sense that Jesus would be depicted white by people who believe the whole story – they’re not interested in historical accuracy.
Obviously, this artist is not! That Jesus is white is the least of its flaws.
If this artist went to BYU, then he is or was Mormon. And Mormon theology explicitly states that dark skin is a curse caused by sin, and that the more holy a people get, the lighter their skin gets. So, of course god and his son have creamy porcelain skin.
Why is a bearded European man holding our constitution? And by the way, most of our founding fathers also owned slaves.
Fundies love to remind us that God loves the United States more than every other nation on earth. And miraculously Jesus always agrees with their political agenda, no matter how self-serving or hateful it is.
Hay, The bible never said a cross word about ownership of slaves. Not where some sugar coated translations use the word ’servent’ slave is definetly intended. As in not coveting your neibours male and female slaves. I do believe there old testament also contains the specific rules you need to follow when selling your daughter into slavery. And the new spells out that a slave should obey their master all the mroe if he happens to be a christian.
Hi, this is scary…. this one really lives in Lala-Land, making everything up so it fits into his little happy wishful thinking box! I think that if Jesus were alive today, the very same thing would happen again, only the Christians would do it in place of the Romans. Never ever could they cope with the historical Jesus… their precious bubble would burst and this would not be allowed to happen! This really makes me sad and I am glad to live in a place where I do not have to deal with such stupidity.
Hows life on Mars?
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Whats the address of your immigration office?
Come to the UK mate. We don’t get nearly so much of this silly theological crap.
Well we have less of it anyway, but ’twas not ever so, Peter Ustinov had an anecdote he used to tell about his primary school days.
not so different eh?
I pretty sure that Jesus signed the Declaration of Independence. John Hancock was really a euphemism for John Hand Cock (JHC) aka Jesus H. Christ. Mystery solved. You’re welcome.
The painting is totally bogus. No Chuck Norris!
The idiot actually has the gall to include Thomas Paine (third from the left).
You know, this Thomas Paine
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the bible is filled, it would seem more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.”
“that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism, by which I then meant, and mean now, the belief of one God, and an imitation of his moral character, or the practice of what are called moral virtues”
It certainly is a shock to find that so many deists who publicly rejected divine revelation, miracles, and much of the bible were secretly devout christians, and more of a shock to find out that they created America to be a “christian nation”.
I guess it isn’t surprising that people who believe in zombies and worldwide floods have no conception of historical accuracy, but it still annoys me.
He’s also got Jefferson: as in The Jefferson Bible!!
If you read the little blurbs about each figure (http://mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353), the artist has this to say about Thomas Paine:
“It is not important that he was not a Christian. God often uses good men to fulfill His purposes.”
Very talented guy and a very beautiful work. Having said that, I don’t agree with his depiction of Christ. He should have drawn Jesus something more like this: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/
As for the U.S. having any Biblical roots, no. This was a completely Godless country from day one. The “In God We Trust” nonsense and “One Nation Under God” rubbish never happened. It was all an illusion. There is no relationship whatsoever between the Bible and any of the founding principles of the Bible. We are Godless now and we will always be Godless and anyone who tells you anything different is a lying cultist lunatic who eats babies and paints his toenails with their blood. Get real, people
Still babbling nonsense? Have to give points for consistency.
There is no relationship whatsoever between the Bible and any of the founding principles of the Bible.
That’s a little hard to respond to, even if I assume you mean “founding principles of the Constitution.”
But for what it’s worth, I don’t really believe there’s much overlap between the Bible and the Constitution, based on a few observations:
1. At the time of the writing of the Constitution, all Christian nations were monarchies. It was assumed that a legitimate government was one where all authority descended from God, rather than ascended from the will of the people. By being democratic, America was violating what most Christians considered the right and proper way to govern.
2. The notes from the constitutional convention show the authors quoting many classical thinkers, but no one quotes scripture as a justification for any part of the constitution, unless I’ve missed it. Similarly, Jefferson does not list the Bible as one of his influences in writing the Declaration.
3. When it was released, many Christian leaders opposed the ratification of the “godless” Constitution.
Anyone who could be arsed to actually READ THE DAMNED THING would see this:
Right there in the First F-ing Amendment … you know: first of the Bill of Rights??
Also there is this passage from Article 11 of The Treaty of Tripoli:
Which was signed into Law by President John Adams on June 10, 1797 having been ratified by the Congress on the 7th of the same month.
Compare and contrast that with Dubaya’s “Crusade” (his word!) or the frothing from the Faux Baggers and understand just how far afield they’ve gone.
Not, you understand, that the concept of a Religious Person pointing at a written document (say: the Bible) and claiming it as Authority for whatever it is that they want to do (or DON’T want YOU to be able to do) is in any way surprising … it seems to be the Rule rather than the Exception in fact. o_O
No, you’re wrong. “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God” did happen. It’s on the money and in the pledge of allegiance. Of course, it didn’t used to be. These things were put there around the 1940’s during the “Communism Scare”.
Someone should send the artist the following link. I might have posted it here before, but It’s worth another look. Everything you ever needed to disprove the “America was founded on Christianity” lie:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/history_of_the_separation_of_chu.htm
Awesome update link with the rollover explanations! Thanks
I note there seems to be some obsession with soldiery. To tie in warriors of every single war (except the little “policing actions” that fill the pauses between the wars) with a direct message of holy righteousness is creepy. Every new generation joining the military in the spirit of serving Jesus and Nation will run into the same clusterfuck of unjustified wars, massacres of civilians, rape, torture and zealous proselytizing. They’ll make the same mistakes over and over and over. The Christian Right refuses to acknowledge error (for how can a Nation Under God ever be wrong?), and will therefore inevitably repeat every wrong they get the power to commit.
“The Christian Right refuses to acknowledge error (for how can a Nation Under God ever be wrong?”
Thats the whole point for them. If they are doing what god wants they can Never be Wrong. Funny how what they want and what god wants are the same thing.
If American were founded on Christian principles, why did it take 1776 years for the Christian world to create a government god would approve of. Also why didn’t the American founding fathers put Christian symbols on the America flag and Great Seal (which actually contains Masonic symbols)? Many Europeans countries have Christian crosses on their flags.
The Lord’s Prayer says, “On Earth as in is in Heaven”. I do not recall heaven being a free market, small government, democratic-republic with free elections, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Heaven does, however, have a very strong gun lobby.
I’m bothered by…oh…let’s call it that tunnel vision xtians get, which he expresses in his voice over in the vid. He says those people were very religious & saw god everywhere in their daily lives, he says they got a lot of strength from god, & his voice has such a soft assurance. Yeah but…crazy cultists have strength from their faith, they see their god all around them. Belief & faith help you focus & let you find strength that was probably inside you all along anyway. Our troubles are from this – that each tiny faction doesn’t get this point – they insist the very existence of their faith proves they are talking to the right god, never admitting that others might also be filled with that very same faith, tho possibly to the pagan stone god or whatever.
Compare the text below the painting…
The parody contains the original text: http://www.shortpacked.com/McNaughton%20Fine%20Art.htm
But the original has been updated with “McNaughton’s responses to liberal criticism”: http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353
Kinda funny to see his backtracking and apologetics.
There are only two realities, life and death. People who slander heroes of the past make me sick, i despise people like this.
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