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LOL!!!
Priceless!
LOL ROFL OFL OFL LOLOFL
Punching a janitor is pretty mysterious.
It was to increase his faith!!111!!on3
AAAAAAHHHhhhhhhhh! Great!!! I grew up in a pre-dominate hispanic town and there were many guys named Jesus. I use to smoke weed with one Jesus and get drunk with another. But we called them “Chuy” or “Chucho”. I lent one Jesus money and he never paid me back. Now, when the Mormons roll by and ask me if I have a relationship with Jesus I say, “Damn straight I do! That fu*ker still owes me $10 bucks!”
Thats as funny as the original thought.
That line was funnier when Chris Rock said it.
It was twelve bucks originaly – Dogma, awesome film :D
Excellent. We all knew that Jesus had a temper problem – just ask the moneychangers in the Temple.
i just like the fact its not the first time he punched a jaintor.
This made my day.
Rofflewaffles.
fantastic.
What, you want to deprive him of his smiting?
Thanks for that.
Roffles! Made my day!
OK. I won’t mock your prophet for being a pedophiles.
PS I’m pretty sure the Koran calls for you to spread your faith, by the sword if necessary.
hi,
I seriously didn’t like a prophet of God being mocked like that and i’m a Muslim. I don’t know how Christians would think after seeing this, but i totally think it’s stupid and childish and that religion is becoming the focus of mocking while atheism is what should be mocked because it says basically “we are created from nothing”.
note: i’m not evangelizing, as i’m a Muslim and there’s nothing called evangelical Muslims. so, i didn’t fail to follow the comment policy.
Peace
You deserve to be mocked because you posted “I seriously didn’t like a prophet of God being mocked like that and i’m a Muslim.” and then “.. while atheism is what should be mocked …”. So you don’t think it’s ok to mock your oh so precocious bunch of made up mumbo-jumbo but it is ok to mock non-believers. Did you even read what you posted before you hit the posts comment button? The second reason you deserve to be mocked is that you believe that atheism says “we are created from nothing”, well all I can say is if you think, as you’ve stated, it’s good to mock something at least understand what your are mocking.
Claudia, your concern is noted…and ignored.
Jesus was not a prophet (JC), he was the Son of God! Damnit!
A muslim? Yay! Fresh meat! Don’t think I’ve seen any muslims in here before, or at least none who announced themselves. I personally am tired of tearing down the arguments of christians and would enjoy the challenge of dealing with islam.
The lunacy of religion deserves to be mocked. It is a mind destroying evil that should be purged from this earth. Further, over here in the civilized world, we respect the right of people to say things that we disagree with. We don’t tell people they are not allowed to mock god. God’s a big boy, I’m sure if he doesn’t like what I’m saying he can tell me himself.
“Further, over here in the civilized world, we respect the right of people to say things that we disagree with. We don’t tell people they are not allowed to mock god.”
Nobody mention Ireland …
True true. I believe that law is currently being challenged. Of course that may just be wishful thinking.
Quick! Someone check her underwear!
If you dont like religiion being mocked I’d suggest you are in the wrong place!
Personally, I find it HILARIOUS!!!!!!
Beth is a prophet of God?
“atheism [...] says basically “we are created from nothing” ”
Claudia, by your name I can imagine you are a woman. As a muslim, are you allowed to use internet -and moreover, to be in an atheist website- without the supervision of a male (father/brother/husband)?
yes, i’m a Muslim woman. and i’m allowed to be on internet without “supervision”. your question just shows that you’re ignorant about my religion and that you just know what comes on the news (which most of the time just shows some ignorance even from Muslims also). if you want to know Islam, learn it from trustful sources, not tv, newspapers, because journalists only want news, many of them don’t care if it’s true or not, and most of them only interview Muslims, and Muslims are humans, they commit errors. just like you can’t say a christian that slanders God as a representant of his religion. religion isn’t represented by people, but by their original sources and the Prophet who came with the Revelation.
and for anyone else who comes and says Muhammad (sws) is this or that, grow up and get educated. i commented in peace and i was trying to make people reason, but instead i got comments of ignorance and also childish arguments. just because someone belongs to some religion doesn’t mean we can’t respect them. as for the christians who responded to me with childish comments: i recognize Jesus (peace be upon him) as someone very important and i believe he is coming back, i just don’t believe he is the son of God because in my religion that would imply God is not Self-Suficient that he had to adopt a human characteristic of having offspring. i respect your beliefs and i agree to disagree, which is a basic rule of good argumentation and respect in debates.
Oh, so we’re “ignorant”. We don’t get islam. And neither do millions of muslims, apparently:
http://www.atheistmedia.com/2009/12/talibans-war-on-womens-education.html
http://www.atheistmedia.com/2009/08/malaysian-model-mother-to-be-caned.html
http://www.atheistmedia.com/2010/01/sudanese-journalist-tens-of-thousands.html
I guess these muslims are not representative, but YOU are. Right, Claudia? You got islam right.
i saw that the websites you pasted there are from “atheist media”, one more time, you prove my point like so many others. media doesn’t make things that are shown true, or completely true. i was born in Portugal and lived 10 years of my life in Angola, i went to Portugal again for 8 years, now i’m 18 and 3 months before i came to Egypt and got married. i was christian before. the years i’ve spent in Angola (majority there are christians) were during a civil war. i saw many things that wouldn’t appear in Portugal’s news, and many journalists would distort the things happening there. and so after coming to Egypt i see the same phenomenon happening to Muslims in Egypt. incidents that you see on those news, may be partially true (as i said many Muslims now-a-days are ignorant of their religion and its principles, that’s why it’s happening an islamic awakening between the Muslim nation talking against terrorism and other kinds of things that Islam condemns). but those incidents you see don’t make them something that all the Muslims support. so, yeah, you proved my point by searching about my religion in a website called ATHEIST and MEDIA.
P.S.:i became Muslim 4 years ago, before getting married.
So, what you’re claiming is that women are not horrifically oppressed in many Muslim-majority nations, and the “atheist media” made it all up?
well, women aren’t oppressed here, i’m a Muslim woman and i’m not oppressed, i wear the veil and i cover my face leaving only the eyes uncovered, and it is my choice. what i’m always repeating (i did it in the 2 comments above), is that there’s much ignorance even in the Muslim nation, even about their own religion. If they have a closer look and actually study Islam, they’ll see many things they are doing wrong and therefore they are practicing it wrong. you can ask any sheikh/imam or any other religious authority in Islam if those acts you see on tv are right according to Islam, he’ll say no. unless he is not following the Sunnah (sayings of the Prophet (sws)) and the Qur’an. but then, inside Islam, just like inside Christianity or Judaism, there’s sects. and many sects in Islam are deviated like the Shi’a, in Iran and Iraq (the Shi’a are the majority there). and in Afghanistan, India and Pakistan there’s a large influence of innovation (bid’ah) in the religion, which makes the religion something it’s not. innovation is never good to any religion, because it distorts the pure message of God. there’s a lot of parameters you have to look at when you’re talking about religion, it’s not all black in white. just because some people in Denmark kill dolphins insanely, making them die slowly, doesn’t mean all people in Denmark support it. so, if some people do these acts out of Islam, doesn’t mean they are good practicing Muslims and that they represent Islam. no human can represent their religion, religion represents itself through its teachings. humans misinterpreting the teachings or innovating in the religion is not the religion’s fault or God’s fault. it’s humans’ fault.
Peace
well, women aren’t oppressed here, i’m a Muslim woman and i’m not oppressed, i wear the veil and i cover my face leaving only the eyes uncovered, and it is my choice.
I am suddenly reminded of a Harriet Beecher Stowe novel.
there’s much ignorance even in the Muslim nation, even about their own religion. If they have a closer look and actually study Islam, they’ll see many things they are doing wrong and therefore they are practicing it wrong. you can ask any sheikh/imam or any other religious authority in Islam if those acts you see on tv are right according to Islam, he’ll say no.
This I’ll readily accept, but it only goes so far (and not nearly far enough to service your point). Sure, there is plenty of ignorance about what the Qur’an teaches, but surely the imams and sheikhs who advise the governments in Arabia and North Africa about correct religious practices and law are not ignorant, and yet in those places we see things like women being stoned to death for adultery (but not men) and other crimes, women having few legal freedoms, and a blind eye turned toward violence against women (if it isn’t outright encouraged, as it is in some places). All approved by the religious authorities. And while the average imam may deplore violence, he certainly won’t say it loud enough when it matters.
just because some people in Denmark kill dolphins insanely, making them die slowly, doesn’t mean all people in Denmark support it. so, if some people do these acts out of Islam, doesn’t mean they are good practicing Muslims and that they represent Islam.
Sure it does. Muslims have a duty to correct their brethren, just as Danes do. If a group tends to support or suborn a certain type of behavior, it is entirely justified to criticize the group for it, especially if the members who do not participate in the abhorrent activity are complicit by silence.
no human can represent their religion, religion represents itself through its teachings
Wrong. Religion, one way or another, is meant for humans to participate in, and so it survives or it falls with the capacity of humans to use it properly. If a hammer breaks every time a human tries to use it to drive a nail, we are justified in calling it a bad hammer, even if on paper the design of the hammer seems sound.
Claudia, you do realize that many of us here are going to regard your superstitious belief in an imaginary sky friend with the same amounts of skepticism as we do with the superstitious belief in an imaginary sky friend that undergirds Christianity, right? Also, you can quote the Qur’an and talk about how SUPER WONDERFUL your particular brand of superstitious woo is, but we’re going to do what we do with Christianity: point to the other subscribers of your particular brand of superstitious woo and use that belief to oppress and destroy other people.
And, really? Saying that Muslim women aren’t oppressed because *you’re* not oppressed is tunnel vision–you conveniently forget (or flat out ignore) the imposition of Islamic law in the punishment of women who have been raped (google it, you might be surprised). It is cultural; however, it is supported by an appeal to morality that itself is rooted in the belief in a male deity who commanded a particular social order. In other words, it’s bullshit of the highest order.
“your question just shows that you’re ignorant about my religion”
Yeah, that was pretty much what your previous comment “atheism says basically we are created from nothing” showed about your knowledge about materialistic views. I was answering you with an intended missrepresentation of your beliefs.
Once said that, I have to add:
1.- “if you want to know Islam, learn it from trustful sources”. I assume those trustful sources are “the book” and not, to say something, Harum Yaya.
“most of them only interview Muslims, and Muslims are humans, they commit errors”
Yeah, they are not true muslims. How do we know that are you right and they are wrong? We have heard the same argument coming from christians.
2.- “Religion isn’t represented by people, but by their original sources and the Prophet who came with the Revelation”
Religion is represented by people, call it the Pope or the Ayatolah. Your prophet was a pedophile, do you want to put him as an example of Islam?
3.- Can you please quote where Quram condemns terrorism? We saw here last week some quotes inciting violence against every other religion so, please, correct our mistake.
4.- “that’s why it’s happening an islamic awakening between the Muslim nation” I hope so, but I can’t see it
5.- “And for anyone else who comes and says Muhammad (sws) is this or that, grow up and get educated”. You own me a new ironymeter.
1- the trustful sources would be the Qur’an and the Sunnah (sayings of the Prophet (sws))
2- My Prophet (sws) wasn’t a pedophile, there’s conflicts in views about Aisha’s (raw) age when she got married. In some hadiths (reports) it’s said that she was 6 when she got married and the marriage was consumated at 9 years old. this was about 1400 years ago, when in Europe, uncles would marry their own nieces to get their heritage. and Kings with 11 years old would rule a whole country. so, by those historical facts, you can imagine that Aisha (raw) was a mature young woman that started her menses (making her a lady), and also there are reports from that lady, saying she wasn’t forced to do anything. Also, that lady is so respected in Islam that all the reports coming from her are considered authentic. the Shi’a slander her name saying she is an adultress and other kinds of slandering, but as i stated in the last comment, they are a deviated group that doesn’t follow the Sunnah in whole. Also, this lady’s reports are very important for the respect of women in Islam, so, if any male wants to oppress a woman, he ommits these reports without the woman knowing her rights or he says Aisha (raw) was this and that. (it’s not by chance that the rights of women in Iran and Iraq are totally violated).
3- http://aboutjihad.com/terrorism/islam_jihad_terrorism.php
4- there’s a lot of Muslims starting giving information, especially online, about Islam to both Muslims and non-Muslims. (it depends if they want to listen or not).
5- if that existed, i would give it to you
i couldn’t click on reply on the above new comments related to what i said in the previous post for some reason, so i’m going to reply here.
@ Roger
1- i didn’t mean to say just because i’m not oppressed, other women aren’t. not at all. actually, i know there are Muslim women being oppressed as also there are women who aren’t Muslim being oppressed, even by atheist men. it doesn’t mean that it’s right according to my religion either.
2- the Shariah (islamic law) doesn’t condemn women to death if they were raped, it condemns the rapist to death. (search about the true shariah, please, not the one invented by innovators or men that want to take over a land. religion being misused by humans doesn’t mean the religion itself is evil, but humans are).
@ Elemenope
1- i don’t know that novel, but that’s my life, you don’t like it, bits me.
2- that’s what you think. but let me tell you, the Popes advise when there should be peace and not war, do the governments listen? normally no. so the religious figure have lost importance at the hand of power and money.
3- the Muslims that know their religion surely try to advise their brothers and sisters (and actually, it’s their duty in Islam to do that), but that doesn’t mean all of them will listen. it’s not about the person who warns, it’s about the person who chooses to listen to the warning or not.
4- not actually. the religion is the tool, we are the ones using the tool. we shouldn’t blame the tool for what we used it for.
that’s what you think. but let me tell you, the Popes advise when there should be peace and not war, do the governments listen? normally no. so the religious figure have lost importance at the hand of power and money.
That would be a relevant counter-example if it were the case that religious leaders were arguing against these laws and were being ignored. This is sadly not the case, and in fact much of the time it is the religious authorities suggesting these cruelties (in the name of morality or purity or whatever).
the Muslims that know their religion surely try to advise their brothers and sisters (and actually, it’s their duty in Islam to do that), but that doesn’t mean all of them will listen. it’s not about the person who warns, it’s about the person who chooses to listen to the warning or not.
When the advice doesn’t come or comes fitfully and feebly, it is entirely appropriate to criticize the one advising. Until the imams preaching peace match the passion, volume, and consistency of those preaching violence, I will continue to be unimpressed with this argument.
the religion is the tool, we are the ones using the tool. we shouldn’t blame the tool for what we used it for.
As I said, when a tool malfunctions most of the time it is is used, it is a bad tool. If millions of people can so blithely misuse Islam, as you claim, part of the blame for this falls necessarily on Islam being either unclear or unusable or both, a problem it shares with every other religion.
The Tool that you are using is a ROCK.
There has been some advancements in the last few thousand years.
“The Shi’a slander her name saying she is an adultress and other kinds of slandering, but as i stated in the last comment, they are a deviated group that doesn’t follow the Sunnah in whole. Also, this lady’s reports are very important for the respect of women in Islam, so, if any male wants to oppress a woman, he ommits these reports without the woman knowing her rights or he says Aisha (raw) was this and that. (it’s not by chance that the rights of women in Iran and Iraq are totally violated).”
You conveniently ignore Saudi arabia, the center of sunni islam, where women are as oppressed if not more so then Iran.
ok, give me proof. my husband’s aunt lives there and she has never been happier. she works there as a doctor.
Other than the Burqa being compulsory for natives and not being allowed to drive? Other than press stories of raped women being stoned to death for infidelity?
Happiness in slavery is no proof that slavery is good.
When she has the choice to not wear the full-body dress or to drive a car or be in the company of unrelated males but chooses not to I will be impressed. Of course, none of those things are presently her choice, courtesy of the government of Saudi Arabia and the clerics who advise them.
‘Nope, are you just copyingmy posts now?!
Apparently we’re on the same wavelength, today.
Oh this is an easy one, obviously they are not practicing the real Islam like a Scottsman would.
Thanks for the links
Daniel wrote here
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/01/13/strike-off-their-heads-and-strike-off-every-fingertip-of-them/
some quotes from the Quran wich called for war against non-believers. Now we have some more quotes that call for peace. My new -and improved, thanks to you- impression about your source books is that they are as ambiguous as the bible is – unexpected? maybe not.
The page you linked is very interesting -I’m going to read it again from time to time- but partial. A lot of christians cherrypick their quotes, why would you be any different?
About your prophet’s likings for childs: At that age they are not -and they weren’t- physically mature; in fact some of their physically attractive treats for males are not yet developed. And though they menstruate, having a child is very dangerous for them; Mohammads people knew that at the time. Would you condone a nowadays man which gets involved with a nine year old girl? So what you are advocating for here is a subjective and changing morality, not an universal absolute moral. Did Allah change his mind about what is good and what is bad?
I always argue that Christianism is not as different from Islam as a lot of people seem to believe and now I have some more arguments. But that, of course, don’t do neither Islam neither christianism more right, only less horribly wrong.
well, at least i made you change your mind a bit. glad to know, even if it wasn’t a complete progress. thanks for reading the website. many people would just go through the text at random and continue with their opinion even if they didn’t read everything.
You are not opressed? How lucky, even in Egypt…:
“The law does not prohibit spousal abuse; however, provisions of law relating to assault in general are applied. Domestic violence against women was a significant problem and was reflected in press accounts of specific incidents. According to a 2003 survey by the Center for Egyptian Women’s Legal Affairs, an estimated 67 percent of women in urban areas and 30 percent in rural areas had been involved in some form of domestic violence at least once between 2002 and 2003. Among those who had been beaten, less than half had ever sought help. The 2005 Egypt Demographic and Health Survey indicated that 47.4 percent of women above age 14 had experienced domestic violence. Due to the value attached to privacy in the country’s traditional society, abuse within the family rarely was discussed publicly. Spousal abuse is grounds for a divorce. However, the law requires the plaintiff to produce several eyewitnesses, a difficult condition to meet. Several NGOs offered counseling, legal aid, and other services to women who were victims of domestic violence”
“The law prohibits non-spousal rape and punishment ranges from three years to life imprisonment; however, spousal rape is not illegal. Although reliable statistics regarding rape were not available, activists believed that it was not uncommon, despite strong social disapproval. A rapist, if also convicted of abducting his victim, is subject to execution.”
“The law does not specifically address “honor” crimes (violent assaults by a male against a female, usually a family member, with intent to kill because of perceived lack of chastity). In practice, the courts sentenced perpetrators of such crimes to lesser punishments than those convicted in other cases of murder. There were no reliable statistics regarding the extent of honor killings; however, there were no reports indicating that honor killings were a widespread problem.”
“Female genital mutilation (FGM) remained a serious, widespread problem, despite the government’s attempts to eliminate the practice and NGO efforts to combat it. Tradition and family pressure continued to play a leading role in the persistence of FGM. In 2005 a leading NGO reported that the percentage of women who had undergone FGM had fallen to 94 percent of all women age 18-49. The same study estimated that 60 percent of girls age 10-13 were at risk for FGM. The Ministry of Health estimated that 50 percent of girls age 10 to 18 were subjected to FGM. The 2005 Egypt Demographic and Health Survey, however, indicated that 95.8 percent of ever-married women were subjected to FGM [...] FGM was equally prevalent among Muslims and Christians [...] the three leading government-appointed Muslim religious leaders [...] aimed at eradicating FGM [...], said that FGM is not encouraged by Islam”
“Sexual harassment is not prohibited specifically by law. There were no statistics available regarding its prevalence. On October 24-26, during the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holiday marking the end of Ramadan, there were reports of several incidents of sexual harassment of female pedestrians by groups of young men in downtown Cairo. ”
“The law provides for equality of the sexes; however, aspects of the law and many traditional practices discriminated against women. By law, unmarried women under the age of 21 must have permission from their fathers to obtain passports and to travel. Married women do not require such permission, but police did not apply the law consistently. A woman’s testimony is equal to that of a man in court. Under the Penal Code, a married man is adulterous only if the sexual act is committed in the marital home (Article 277) while a woman is adulterous wherever the act is committed”
More at the source: U.S. departement of State
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78851.htm
note: Egypt is not a country ruled by shariah (islamic law). it’s a non-religious kind of ruling we have here. even though the majority is Muslim, 20% of the population is christian. i live in a building where the majority of neighbours are christian even. so, those articles don’t indicate much. the shariah is not aplicable in this country. only if people resove to go to islamic courts, which sincerely, don’t go by its rules most of the time.
If by 20% you mean 5%-10%, OK. But the point remains because:
1. A country need not obey Sharia in order to be heavily influenced by Islamic law in the production of its own laws
2. There is a great deal of (unsurprising) overlap between laws directly inspired by Islam and those which find their roots in regional cultural traditions, and these two effects are difficult to disentangle
Note: the text is about humans rights in Egypt, and I’m quoting the ones about the situation of women. Indeed, you are pretty well in comparison with other non-westerner countries but women are still opressed in Egypt (according to the source).
Roger, I think I love you. Your skyfriend and woo have won my heart!!
lolol
No I am not a crazy person, just love a well-turned bit of humor.
Okay, I was in Jordan, and within just the family of which I was a part, there were two honor-killings.
One was of a woman who was planning on leaving her husband.
The other was of a woman who was brought back to her father (divorced)
Both murderers spent 6 months in jail.
True stories.
I was married to a Moslem.
He was dysfunctional even in his own system, so he hated the honor-killings and was ashamed of the fact that such a thing could happen among his relatives.
I did sometimes cover my hair out of respect for Rammadan, but it was HELL to go out without a veil as the men there are wild animals and very rude to women who do not cover. I still insisted on my right outside of the the months of Rammadan and Haram.
My mother went to Egypt and found the same difficulty.
So, the women cover because their men are uncivilized and badly behaved. Call it religion if you want.
@ claudia
From the Egyptian constitution Ch1 article 2
Islam is the Religion of the State. Arabic is its official language, and the principal source of legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia).
also
US state department: International Religious Freedom Report 2009 Egypt
Stop trying to confuse her with facts, it won’t work.
If Claudia is a recent convert to Islam, then it would make sense that she sees her special brand of woo through rose colored glasses and has a nose plug that somehow filters the stink of fecal matter and turns it into the smell of strawberries.
From what I read here, there was nothing directly said against any messenger, prophet, manifestation or divine being.
Telling people they are wrong is unhelpful in that there is no wrong viewpoint on truth. Truth is big enough to stand scrutiny.
I do follow a faith which honors all others, including Atheism in that the company of a moral atheist in my faith is preferable to an immoral follower of any faith.
You want fresh meat, go for it. I am Baha’i.
Truth is truth. Jesus punched a janitor and the other Jesus is the f***** who owes money.
Neither of these two are more a manifestation of God or a prophet or a divine being. They are a couple of yahoos named Jesus. There are another number of yahoos named Mohammad, including a terrorist who took this whole telling people what they can and cannot do in the name of faith to another level: Mohammad Atta, who helped murder thousands of innocent people. So what kind of slur is HIS EXISTENCE on the name of the Prophet, Claudia??
Thank Alláh these people are actually funny, literate and kind.
Tracy
Uhh… you’re Muslim, but you never heard the term “Da’wah” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawah) ? Maybe you should shut your mouth and stick to your own religion.
I’m sorry, I deserve to be mocked because I refuse to believe that a all-knowing deity sends a messenger over 1400 years ago who’s followers fight over who is said mesengers heir, even though god supposedly sent him as a last messenger. Whose faith in a strict set of guidelines, rules and laws punishes those who refuse to subscribe to them. Since I am the one being mocked, I take that as an attack upon my faith and my belief in there not being a god. In response I hereby mock Mohammed, a false prophet who’s teaching result in the harming of other humans. God is not great, and does not exist. Mohammed is not his messenger as there was no god to send him. I mock Jesus, the failed prophet of some and the false son of god to others. I mock JHVH as false creation. I mock Joeseph Smith another false prophet whos teachings harm others. My father is not in heaven, he is the donor of half my genetic material.
*~@:~{>
Just for Claudia I’ve post a smiley of Mohammed with a lit bomb!
Now that I don’t like. Keep it classy.
~@:~{>
Fair enough … here it is not lit. Classy enough for you?
As in replications of the prophet and how he may have looked is considered idolatry and takes away from god. I am comfortable turning arguements around on people, and verbally/writing responding to them. But I draw the line at creating objects designed to degrade a religion. All religions have a rich history and culture behind them. Comment on the current culture, but do not degrade the history of it. I support athiesm, but i do not want the Sistine chapel destroyed, it is a work of art. The Jade buddha of Japan. The minarets of Turkey.
So putting ~@:~{> is the same as wanting places of worship destroyed?
0-0=0
“takes away from god.”
How can you take away from something that doesn’t exist?
Probably shoulda been 0-x=0
Probably a dork for asking but what is JHVH?
A variation on YHWH, aka “BibleGod”
Hey PUCK.
Jesus welcomes you; but then again, so does Satan.
Prove it. Oh, that’s right – you can’t.
Hey Starpass.
Iluvatar welcomes you, but then again, so does Melkor.
um, Jesus is total bottom. He takes it like a champ, seriously, met him at the bar, had some fun. He is from the Phillipines and is always happy to see me. As for Satan, we haven’t met, but I alway like meeting new people. Unless your referring to the fictional characters, than know you have my support if you ever seek deprogramming
Ok, so literate, funny and pissed off.
Claudia and everyone else, We All should be mocked and laughed at every day! Humans are silly creatures and should never take themselves or there beliefs too seriously. A sense of humor is essential to a healthy mind. Go ahead Laugh at me and my non beliefs. Laugh at yourself and your beliefs. When people loose their sense of humor they become dangerous. When Christians lose Their humor, they burn people alive. When Muslims lose theirs, they blow themselves (and everyone around them) to bits. Atheists are just as dangerous when they lose theirs(look at the cultural revolution in China). Laugh, mock, go ahead…it’ll be O.K. (even the god of the bible ahs a sense of humor…just look at a turtle or a platypus…That’s FUNNY) ;-)
thank you mike.
here here!
Communist countries are a bad example of atheist states. From Mao to Stalin, they’ve all been cults of personality with an imposed state religion and godhead.
Britain is mostly atheist or agnostic. I doubt more than one in fifty people here go to Church. Similar story in France. And yet we’re not all in the Gulag.
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
“Atheists are just as dangerous when they lose theirs(look at the cultural revolution in China).”
So that was because there was no belief in at least one of the many thousands of gods that humans have so far invented?
no it is an example of a people without a sense of humor who happen to be atheist.
“humor” … I think you’ll find that’s “humour”. That’s the problem with Americans, their spelling is on a par with their joke telling.
Hats off to Mike for pointing out that the problem isn’t the beliefs themselves, it’s the stupid behaviors we run around with, thinking somehow our particular beliefs make them okay.
There’s an order of magnitude about to be crossed in our cultural evolution. We’re learning to be sentient to one another, aware of the person standing at our side as an individual, and it’s terrifying to those cloaked in their beliefs, and exciting and sexy to those running around nakedly with the truth. It’s as though Adam and Eve, thrust out of the garden semi-nude, are being encouraged to lose the fig leaves and join a nudist colony. “But then we’d be naked!”
Of course that makes you naked, not having beliefs to hide behind, and you build different skills as a result of accepting that. People who work hard without gloves on get callouses on their hands, and are able to keep working even when gloves aren’t around. Likewise, regardless of beliefs, the irreligious are generally becoming more and more comfortable around those with conflicting viewpoints.
Religious types call them names for it (infidel, heretic, etc.) but they’re basically just shouting about running around without a cloak of beliefs to hide their ideas.
George Carlin would be proud, God rest his soul (yes, that was a joke).
Beautifully put, Eric. I had never thought of the atheist/humanist/secularist as a naked person reveling in all of humanity, but the analogy is a sharp one! I also just made George Carlin my patron saint, just to piss him off. :)
Meatcake!
The Pervy Janitor was perhaps inappropriately waving his plunger around behind young Jesus so what’s a guy to do!
you all have it well wrong.. your listening to what others say and not what is in your head.. its all bullshit.. get over it and move on..
Huh?
I’d listen to you, but that would be listening to what others say instead of what’s in my head.
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Saint George the Sacrilegious! I’d take my hat off to that, but it’d get me chastised! Again with the hats!
Damn!
Anybody got a funny/ironic Jesus (or shall I say, Hey-soose) joke?
I believe in Jesus and that he is my savior. I would die if he did not deliver my tacos on time.
wow I am offending two groups with this joke :P
not a jesus joke but…
One day the pope was visiting NYC. He was riding in a limo that was stuck in traffic and was getting very frustrated with the limo driver for taking so long. Having driven in Rome, he figured he could do a better job. So the pope made the driver get in the back and took the wheel. He proceeded to drive on the sidewalks and turn the wrong way down one-way streets… for which he was pulled over and was even more perturbed, “Holy mother of god, not this!!”
The officer gets out of his car and knocks on the window. The pope gently rolls down the window and looks at the cop, but says nothing. “Hold on a minute” says the cop. He goes back to his car and calls the station.
“Guys, we have a situation on our hands. Someone important is in town, but no one told us. Now I’ve got him pulled over.”
“Well who is it?” says the dispatcher.
“I don’t know, but he must be VERY important. He’s got the POPE driving him around!”
I like that one.
My friend Chuy, aka Jesus, walked into an Inn put four nails on the bar and said “can you put me up for the night?”
What were the last words of Jesus from the cross?
“Peter, Peter. I can see your house from here.”
Islam needs to be stopped for the sake of its simple minded poor followers..its really a brainwashing cult in every sense of the word…I feel really bad for new converts to Islam who I believe make a grave mistake by joining this primitive cult, but the percentage of reverts from Islam is quite high (around 80% I think) so I hope they come to their senses soon.
And that is coming from someone who lives in a predominantly muslim country…where you can see the true face of the religion, not the bull crap they like to sell to the global media about the “religion of peace” , cultural misunderstanding, and islam being a victim of terrorists and so on.
What is funny is that I have actually read the Qur’an, and do not find any of that shit in there. It is all relative. I know that centuries ago, the Moslems were to each and every one of them, learn the Qur’an by heart so no one could mislead them. This was called “knowing for oneself” or Irfan. This was lost during the time of the Crusades.
And with it went the Golden Age of Islam.
Maybe you missed the verses of killing all non-believers, threats from “Allah” of eternal hell and torture which is described in the finest detail (of melting skin and screaming humans and worse) to all non-believers and even to muslims themselves who “stray off the path” and it seems also you missed the verses that promote sexism.
I think you were reading a different book there Tracy.
I believe that those who believe in a creative divine (I LOVE the term skyfriend, thank you), which actually includes me, might be offended on behalf of their particular brand of belief system if you reviled them, not just as liars or cheats, which is to be expected from people who do not accept one’s particular brand of belief, but if you in some way ascribed their followers’ behaviors, such as rape of children, murder of innocents, and stealing candy from babies as being acceptable to their particular totem, or skyfriend.
People, on the other hand, who willing take offense as a way of trying to control other people’s behavior in the most petty of ways are to be discarded as silly and controlling.
Sorry.
I know I am confusing.
My brain is an atheist.
My heart is enthralled.
It’s is tough in here.
For what it is worth, I appreciated Claudia’s involvement in the discussion, even though I thought her indignation was entirely misplaced and some of her ideas could’ve been better constructed.
I was disappointed in some of the responses, though. What can be said of people who (a) believe people are silly for believing in skyfriends without having proof of it, as well as (b) believe there can’t be a skyfriend without having proof of THAT, and also (c) believe their ideas on the topic should be taken seriously?
May we all be blessed, and may peace be upon us all.
PS: Loved the Jesus thingy :)
VT, what you fail to see is that the onus is not upon those who believe and say that there is no God to prove that there is no God. The onus is on those who say and believe that there is a God to provide evidence and proof of that God. For instance, Joseph Smith claimed to have found golden tablets, or plates, that described a vast Middle Eastern civilization existing in North America at the time of Jesus. However, no evidence of this vast civilization, and the cities described in the Mormon Scriptures has ever been found.
When it comes to the Bible, cities that it describes have been found. Israel was a nation. Many of the things written in it can be shown to have existed. However, this alone does not prove that God exists. It merely shows that the people of Israel subscribed to a Monotheistic belief system. The onus still remains with the believer to provide tangible, physical evidence of the existence of God. I would thing that should not be too hard, since this God supposedly created the vast Universe we live in. Yet, he hides from those of us that are merely asking one simple question: Show yourself, in some tangible, physical way, and we will believe. I spent 24 years as an Evangelical Christian, believing the Bible to be the inspired word of God. I can say, with some degree of certainty, that it is not. It is the words of men, who penned those words to control, manipulate, and scare people into submission to their ideologies.
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